Vampire Genesis

What do you think of Vampire Genesis

SD2-EN001
Vampire Genesis
DARK
Zombie/8/3000/2100
This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special
Summoned except by removing 1 "Vampire Lord" on your side of the field from
play. Discard 1 Zombie-Type monster from your hand to the Graveyard to
select and Special Summon 1 Zombie-Type monster from your Graveyard with a
Level less than the discarded Zombie-Type monster. You can only use this
effect once per turn.
 
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Vampire Genesis - SD2-EN001
Dark/Zombie/8/3000/2100
"This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special
Summoned except by removing 1 "Vampire Lord" on your side of the field from play. Discard 1 Zombie-Type monster from your hand to the Graveyard to select and Special Summon 1 Zombie-Type monster from your Graveyard with a Level less than the discarded Zombie-Type monster. You can only use this effect once per turn.

At first glance this card looks awesome. 3000 ATK is awesome and can take out all monsters found in the tournament enviroment. However on closer inspection this card is found to be utter garbage. You have to remove a Vampire Lord from your side of the field to special summon this card, which is just like tributing REBD for REDD...but with two MAJOR differences.

1. Vampire Lord is restricted to one, REBD is not. So automacially, playing a nomi that can only be summoned by one card in your deck brings down it's playability by at least 60%, as Genesis is deemed unreliable. You CAN run extra Genesis in your deck... but what's the point. It's going to be dead weight in your hand most the time.

2. The Vampire Lord must be REMOVED from play, not destroyed. Vampire Lord is one of the backbones of a Zombie deck, so to remove him from play and probably the rest of the duel, you better be getting a KICK ASS effect back... and most would have expected a uber-version of VL's effect. Instead, you get a watered-down Creator effect. It does have some benefits in the Zombie deck which thrive on discarding, allowing you to discard a Despair from the Dark to special summon a Ryu-Kokki, then using a Book of Life to bring back the Despair. But this effect is clearly not worth the effort needed to summon Genesis.

In closing, this monster is not very playable. There is huge risk he will be dead weight, and let's be honest, you're better off with the Vampire Lord. His effect is not that great either, and to be honest you're better off running The Creator is you're that determined to bring back monsters.

I use this card in casual play for a bit of fun, but for the tournament bound player trade this card with n00b and get something worth while back.
 
Anubis said:
What do you think of Vampire Genesis
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I think this part of the site is designed for reviews. General questions should probably be posted in the general forum.
 
but really, you should NEVER say that Genesis cant be summoned as easily as REDD because Lord is limited.

1) Lord can easily be brought out by Pyramid Turtle

2) Lord is a single tribute, REBD is a double unless you use REBC.

However, Genesis' effect pales in comparisson to REDD's effect... Zombie decks have enough reborning with being allowed to use 3 Books of Life plus CotH and Premature Burial. There is also Fushioh, who some people still use. (He's not too bad... I use him in my zombie deck and he works fine)
 
chaos general said:
but really, you should NEVER say that Genesis cant be summoned as easily as REDD because Lord is limited.
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Funny, because that's exactly what I'm saying.

chaos general said:
1) Lord can easily be brought out by Pyramid Turtle
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Even with Pyramid Turtle, what if Vampire Lord was already removed from play with Bottomless Trap Hole? Or already destroyed? Or Snatch Steal'd? Or Creature Swapped? etc... Because VL is restricted, you can't depend on it to conveniently be there for you wheneve you draw Genesis. If all goes well, no problem. But too much can go wrong. He isn't dependable, and you don't want to take cards that aren't dependable (Like Genesis) to a tournament, especially if the cost of getting them out outweighs the gain.

chaos general said:
2) Lord is a single tribute, REBD is a double unless you use REBC.
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There are a stupid number of ways to get REBD on the field.

1) Masked Dragon -> REBC -> REBD. Almost identical to the Pyramid Turtle -> VL -> Genesis, but the only difference is that you can run extra REBD's so it's not a disaster if you get thwarted.

2) Double Coston which most REBD decks already run.

3) Lord of D. and flute. Get's REBD out with no tributes.

4) Dump and revive.


I've had a zombie deck for almost 2 years, I tried Genesis out about ten times and each time he was slowing me down or was dead weight. He's a terrible card, which could have been so good, but wasn't.
 
ok, i realize that VL can get a bunch of things that happen to him all the time, but that doesnt mean that none of those can happen to REBD. or REDD and VG for that matter.

also, never in my post did i say that VG was good, (my last sentence was about Fushioh) yet you interpreted it that way and just attacked me. control your temper, i understand we all have different opinions and ways to express them, but i bet if i wasnt who i was, i wouldve been offended by your rude post.
 
Now Now theres no reason to get upset. His post may have been harsh but it wasn't harsh towards you. it was harsh towards the cards (and opinions there of). and for the most part i agree with him.

the main reason why genesis is so much worse then then redd is vampire lord's limit. with redd you can run 2-3 rebd that way if one it removed you can use another. with genesis if v lord is removed hes dead wieght and for the most part thats it.

If they lifted the limit on vlord maybe genesis would be decent but as it stands it far too much of a liability.

thats my opinion on it anyway. don't take stuff too personaly guys have fun and discuss nice like :)
 
chaos general said:
ok, i realize that VL can get a bunch of things that happen to him all the time, but that doesnt mean that none of those can happen to REBD. or REDD and VG for that matter.

also, never in my post did i say that VG was good, (my last sentence was about Fushioh) yet you interpreted it that way and just attacked me. control your temper, i understand we all have different opinions and ways to express them, but i bet if i wasnt who i was, i wouldve been offended by your rude post.
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I wasn't attacking anyone, I was just saying what I thought about the card. I don't see how that reflects onto you, but sorry if I offended you.
 
Xeno said:
I wasn't attacking anyone, I was just saying what I thought about the card. I don't see how that reflects onto you, but sorry if I offended you.
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oh.. heh ^_^;; sorry Xeno, i thought that since you were quoting me that meant that what i said was "stupid" in your opinion... sorry about that... its ok bro, everythings cool now...

btw- Playtested this card in a tourney... got pwned'd... i hate this card. with a passion... a very deep one.
 
chaos general said:
oh.. heh ^_^;; sorry Xeno, i thought that since you were quoting me that meant that what i said was "stupid" in your opinion... sorry about that... its ok bro, everythings cool now...

btw- Playtested this card in a tourney... got pwned'd... i hate this card. with a passion... a very deep one.
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Well I'd hate to say I told you so...



but I did. :)
 
Use "Book of Life" and "Call of the Mummy" in 3's each if you want Zombie recursion.

If you want to Special Summon from the Graveyard, use "The Creator" (if you're lucky enough to get your hands on one - I want one, but I'm not gonna drop that much cash for 1 card).

Genesis had potential with that ATK and watered-down Monster Reborn effect built-in, but like everyone else said already, Vampire Lord's restriction hurts this guy too.
 
Jathro said:
If you want to Special Summon from the Graveyard, use "The Creator" (if you're lucky enough to get your hands on one - I want one, but I'm not gonna drop that much cash for 1 card).
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Definetly. Adding a Creator to a zombie deck, especially if you have at least two Zombie Bone Towers is lethal. Bring back that Pyramid Turtle and search out something else, and best of all... you don't need to remove the best Zombie monster in the game from play!! In fact, you can bring him back with The Creator.
 
xeno is correct, its not that well worth it, but with a bit of skill it can do just fine.

its alot better than the REDD.

seriously, look at both in theme decks and Genesis far owns REDD.

Vlord, is easily summoned so its not to hard to pull of genesis, and if you manage to swarm itll be lethal.

Vlord, is great but a 2000 tribute monster no longer cuts it.

Berserk gorilla tramples all over this guy.
 
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