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frostmonarch

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If my opponent declares an attack on my Mobius the Frost Monarch with his Shining Angel and I activate Waboku in response, does his monster still die with him taking 1000 life points of damage, or does nothing happen and both cards stay on the field with no damage being dealt? The examples of what Waboku does in the rulings do not really help because they all deal with monsters of equal strength.

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I don't know if this helps much, but I've read and augmented this analogy a little bit to help understand Waboku.

When your opponent declares an attack on a monster, pretend like both of your monsters are going sitting at one of those carnival games where you have to use the mallet and hit it hard enough to ring the bell. Each monster must meet or exceed a certain value in order to "win" and destroy the opponent. Remember, each monster gets to take a "swing" at this point to evaluate things.

Let's look at a classic example Player A has Mobius and Player B has Gemini Elf. Player A declares the attack on Player B. Player B responds by activating Waboku. Now let's see what happens...

I'm going to do this in an "order" even though this typically happens simultaneously for damage calculation. Player B (Gemini Elf) is given the mallet and is instructed "Hey, you gotta wack this mallet to a level of 2400 or above in order to beat Mobius." Gemini Elf takes the mallet and swings. However, Gemini Elf only reaches a value of 1900, so alas, Mobius isn't destroyed.

Mobius is then given the mallet and is instructed "Okay, now you have to wack this mallet to a level of 1900 or above in order to beat Mobius." Mobius smiles but just as Mobius goes to swing down, Waboku comes out of nowhere and pulls the mallet out of Mobius' hands. Mobius swings down but hits nothing, 0. As such, Gemini Elf gets to live too and we end the game.

Now if you take this analogy to Gemini Elf vs. Archfiend Soldier, you'll see why the turn player's Gemini Elf is still destroyed when the opponent activates Waboku, and no battle damage is inflicted. Its not that Gemini Elf had his attack reduced to 0, its just that the "threshold" that needed to be met wasn't there.

From here I think you can apply this analogy to Shining Angel vs. Mobius and you can see how the outcome is as has been explained.

I know this was rather wordy, but I hope it helps you understand the mechanics of Waboku a bit better.
 
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I don't think Dillie-O said the Angel would live. And it's "indeed", not "indead" The second one sounds a little too much like "undead" Ha. haha.
-pssvr
<EDIT: ahem. well, ok then. ahem again. gee...>
 
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Yeah, Evil Fiber Jar and skey23 already answered that part, I was just trying to add a little extra to the conversation to explain a bit more how Waboku works since you run into people that don't quite understand it fully from time to time.
 
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pssvr said:
I don't think Dillie-O said the Angel would live. And it's "ineed", not "indead" The second one sounds a little too much like "undead" Ha. haha.
-pssvr
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Maybe YOU should take a quick look at your spelling as well!..lol..:p...now back to topic!
 
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you say deed, he says dead, its all just tomatos and potatos in the end.

If the example were to be taken literally, then its easy enough to state that the controller of Mobius and Waboku wasted their trap altogether.

Instead, the example does illustrate how those ladies work. I mean, hopefully we wont start debating where Gemini Elf came from, will we?
 
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frostmonarch said:
If my opponent declares an attack on my Mobius the Frost Monarch with his Shining Angel and I activate Waboku in response, does his monster still die with him taking 1000 life points of damage, or does nothing happen and both cards stay on the field with no damage being dealt? The examples of what Waboku does in the rulings do not really help because they all deal with monsters of equal strength.

Thanks
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The ruling DO explain what happens in your scenario.

SCENARIO 1: Player A's "Mega Thunderball" attacks Player B's "Mega Thunderball", and Player B activates "Waboku". RESULT: Player A's (attacking) "Mega Thunderball" is destroyed. Player B's "Mega Thunderball" (with equal ATK) is NOT destroyed.

In this example, the only thing Waboku affected was the controler's monster. It did nothing to protect the opponent. Waboku does nothing for your opponent.
 
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Yes, but once again that deals with exactly equal ATK strengths. That was something that threw me off for a long time till someone (who I can't remember) explained things to me about six ways till Sunday.
 
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Well, I've always been a little confused over the confusion over Waboku. It seems the more its explained the more confused people get. The rulings are very clear, and nowhere on the card does it insinuate that it affects the opponent of its controller.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
Well, I've always been a little confused over the confusion over Waboku. It seems the more its explained the more confused people get. The rulings are very clear, and nowhere on the card does it insinuate that it affects the opponent of its controller.
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So I'm NOT the ONLY ONE who has always understood Waboku pretty well? That's good. Frankly, and I don't mean to insult anyone by this, but I just can't see what there is to git confuzed aboutt hear (besides my spelling, that is). I mean, reduce battle damage done by the opponent's monsters to 0. What is so complex about that? Some ask, "is my monster still destroyed?" I say, "if it takes no damage, how can it be destroyed?". Some say, "is their monster destroyed?" I say, "not unless your monster has at least as many ATk points". Some say, "Will Mystic LV2 still destroy my Cyber Jar even if it inflicts no damage?" I say, "Does it NEED to inflict damage to activate its effect?"
Basically, all the issues regarding Waboku stem from semantics. The card is what it is, and nothing more. Trying to read further into a card than the obvious is what led to the ridiculous Spell Economics vs. MBaaS debate. (yes, I was watching when that happened).
-pssvr
 
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pssvr said:
So I'm NOT the ONLY ONE who has always understood Waboku pretty well? That's good. Frankly, and I don't mean to insult anyone by this, but I just can't see what there is to git confuzed aboutt hear (besides my spelling, that is). I mean, reduce battle damage done by the opponent's monsters to 0. What is so complex about that? Some ask, "is my monster still destroyed?" I say, "if it takes no damage, how can it be destroyed?". Some say, "is their monster destroyed?" I say, "not unless your monster has at least as many ATk points". Some say, "Will Mystic LV2 still destroy my Cyber Jar even if it inflicts no damage?" I say, "Does it NEED to inflict damage to activate its effect?"
Basically, all the issues regarding Waboku stem from semantics. The card is what it is, and nothing more. Trying to read further into a card than the obvious is what led to the ridiculous Spell Economics vs. MBaaS debate. (yes, I was watching when that happened).
-pssvr
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Rolf! Me so stoopid :p. Not only did it take me a while to understand Waboku fully (and Ive been playing since MRL) but, if I recall right, I was part of that thread with Spell Economics, lol.

*runs to hide*
 
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Oh, I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm just saying that the Gaming Community as a whole would benefit some if you were expelled... Huh?:D I meant to say the Gaming Community as a whole would benefit some if there was less emphasis on debating minute details, since this can ultimately lead to debating details that literally don't even exist.
-pssvr
 
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