What should Be Next on the Banned and Limted list???

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D.D. Warrior, D.D. Assailant, D.D. Survivor, all the D.D. monsters will not be limited. Because...

They are not broken. They are overrated, but still very good.

What needs to be banned is.

Breaker the Magical Warrior
(Maybe) Snatch Steal

Overall, Snatch Steal is the more triumphant of those two. Since people are starting to think Breaker the Magical Warrior is losing it's power (they're wrong). Both cards are very broken. I'm sort of expecting a surprising limitation on Spirit Reaper down to two. But I doubt it with Dark World monsters. A lot of people thought the return of Dark Hole was a bad idea, but it really wasn't. It has made no big difference.

Cyber Dragon is a very good card, and may suffer a limitation, but I HIGHLY doubt it.

I've loved this current ban list, it hasn't had many problems like last ban list.

I guess we'll see April 1st.
 
In my mind, it's not the ban lists that I would change, but the effects themselves. There are quite a few threads already discussing that in some detail. One person suggested errating cards where they become more deck specific. Harpie's Feather Duster only working if there is a Harpie on the field. Raigeki only working if you control a Lightning-Type. Dark Hole only working if there is a Dark Monster on the field. Very similar erratas could sew up some of the brokeness that exists in this game.

But truth be told, the brokness of some early cards is simply due to the fact that the game designers were novices to game making to begin with. I don't belive any playtesting was done in the early days. And to this day I still don't think much, or any, is conducted.

Yu-Gi-Oh! is a flawed game with flawed mechanics. The ban attempts to "fix" the flaws without admiting Konami did anything wrong. Untill Yu-Gi-Oh! falls into the hands of people who are wiling to fix the true flaws, people willing to admit they made a mistake, then a rotating ban list is the best we can hope for.
 
Complex_Mind said:
D.D. Warrior, D.D. Assailant, D.D. Survivor, all the D.D. monsters will not be limited. Because...

They are not broken. They are overrated, but still very good.

What needs to be banned is.

Breaker the Magical Warrior
(Maybe) Snatch Steal

Overall, Snatch Steal is the more triumphant of those two. Since people are starting to think Breaker the Magical Warrior is losing it's power (they're wrong). Both cards are very broken. I'm sort of expecting a surprising limitation on Spirit Reaper down to two. But I doubt it with Dark World monsters. A lot of people thought the return of Dark Hole was a bad idea, but it really wasn't. It has made no big difference.

Cyber Dragon is a very good card, and may suffer a limitation, but I HIGHLY doubt it.

I've loved this current ban list, it hasn't had many problems like last ban list.

I guess we'll see April 1st.
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I thought you said you played with Marshmellon?


uh.. what ever with that then.. From my understanding, with the Release of the Prototypes, there might be a restriction on Cyber Dragon.

Remember what the excuse was from UDE to ban Pot of Greed?

"Japan already got Jar of Avarice so its oviouse itll be banned in the next list. So we are gonna go a head and ban it right now"

and so pot god the goose, Eventually we can look at the japanese list for a structure but some of it might or might not change come ude get their Greedy snooby pudgy little hands on it.
 
krazykidpsx said:
I thought you said you played with Marshmellon?


uh.. what ever with that then.. From my understanding, with the Release of the Prototypes, there might be a restriction on Cyber Dragon.

Remember what the excuse was from UDE to ban Pot of Greed?

"Japan already got Jar of Avarice so its oviouse itll be banned in the next list. So we are gonna go a head and ban it right now"

and so pot god the goose, Eventually we can look at the japanese list for a structure but some of it might or might not change come ude get their Greedy snooby pudgy little hands on it.
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I like how you've been trying to point out all of my flaws in posting. And where does it say I don't run Marshmallon? I don't see where you're getting that information.

Was that really UDEs reason to ban Pot of Greed? Because Japan already got Pot of Avarice. If you really take a look at it. Pot of Greed was an EXTREMELY broken card that was ready to be banned. So I don't know what you are talking about. Pot of Avarice is a SAD replacement for Pot of Greed. Now unless you're going to prove some master point about how I'm always wrong, stop responding to my posts if you hate me so much. Seriously, or am I going to have to report your behavior to the rest of the staff?
 
First off, we watch things close enough to not need to send reports.

Second, re-read Krazy's post and you'll notice that his way of phrasing things is out of the ordinary, but not an attack on you.

Let me be the first to nip this in the bud right here and now before anything gets started. There's been to much aggressive behavior on the forums of late. Stuff I don't like to see and won't stand for. Let's not have any more arguments over this topic or over any percived attack and let it go, like mature individuals ordinarily would.
 
Complex_Mind said:
I like how you've been trying to point out all of my flaws in posting. And where does it say I don't run Marshmallon? I don't see where you're getting that information.

Was that really UDEs reason to ban Pot of Greed? Because Japan already got Pot of Avarice. If you really take a look at it. Pot of Greed was an EXTREMELY broken card that was ready to be banned. So I don't know what you are talking about. Pot of Avarice is a SAD replacement for Pot of Greed. Now unless you're going to prove some master point about how I'm always wrong, stop responding to my posts if you hate me so much. Seriously, or am I going to have to report your behavior to the rest of the staff?
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Kevin Tewart@UDE said:
To follow up on an email I sent on August 24, our Forbidden/Limited list IS
different from the one currently being used in Asia. As I said in August, there
are a number of reasons for this, such as the different card pools, the fact
that Elemental Energy has already been out for a month in Asia, and the different
game & strategy environments.

After discussion with Konami, we settled on having 5 cards different between the
Asian list and our lists. We added 2 extra cards to the Forbidden List and 3
to the Limited List.

For those familiar with the Asian list, it will become readily apparant that our
list goes even farther than the Asian list in curbing some of the more "troubling"
elements that have been creeping into the game.

In particular, we're hopeful that the elimination of "Tribe-Infecting Virus" will
give some much-needed respite to Type-specific theme decks. Also, with "Nobleman
of Crossout" limited to 1, decks that rely on Flip Effects and face-up/face-down
battle position changes ("Guardian Sphinx", etc.) will have a better chance.

We're always interested in feedback so if you have opinions from your local players
you'd like to pass along, please send it in and we'll take a look at it.

Get your game on!

Kevin Tewart
Game Designer
UDE Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG R&D Lead
Upper Deck Entertainment
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that is off the judges list.
 
Kevin Tewart@UDE said:
To follow up on an email I sent on August 24, our Forbidden/Limited list IS
different from the one currently being used in Asia. As I said in August, there
are a number of reasons for this, such as the different card pools, the fact
that Elemental Energy has already been out for a month in Asia, and the different
game & strategy environments.

After discussion with Konami, we settled on having 5 cards different between the
Asian list and our lists. We added 2 extra cards to the Forbidden List and 3
to the Limited List.

For those familiar with the Asian list, it will become readily apparant that our
list goes even farther than the Asian list in curbing some of the more "troubling"
elements that have been creeping into the game.

In particular, we're hopeful that the elimination of "Tribe-Infecting Virus" will
give some much-needed respite to Type-specific theme decks. Also, with "Nobleman
of Crossout" limited to 1, decks that rely on Flip Effects and face-up/face-down
battle position changes ("Guardian Sphinx", etc.) will have a better chance.

We're always interested in feedback so if you have opinions from your local players
you'd like to pass along, please send it in and we'll take a look at it.

Get your game on!

Kevin Tewart
Game Designer
UDE Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG R&D Lead
Upper Deck Entertainment
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I like to think that there were good reasons for banning the cards that were banned. And if there isn't. UDE banned the right cards, so lucky them.

Digital Jedi said:
First off, we watch things close enough to not need to send reports.

Second, re-read Krazy's post and you'll notice that his way of phrasing things is out of the ordinary, but not an attack on you.

Let me be the first to nip this in the bud right here and now before anything gets started. There's been to much aggressive behavior on the forums of late. Stuff I don't like to see and won't stand for. Let's not have any more arguments over this topic or over any percived attack and let it go, like mature individuals ordinarily would.
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I know the phrasing wasn't to attack me but there has been instances of disagreements between me and him in almost every thread I've posted in lately. I find that he is singling me out trying to prove me wrong. And I would prefer it if he would stop.
 
D.D. stuff will probably get nerfed. Whoever said that they are overrated needs to go back and check the metagame. Almost every Deck slaps in D.D. Warrior Lady like it is their best friend. Given that we are getting some really nasty cards in Shadows of Infinity to abuse with the D.D. theme I think it is a safe bet. Cyber Dragon is in no shape or form getting restricted. Konami wants people to actually play it like Zane does. The reason Proto Cyber Dragon was even made was to help make Photon Generator and Attack Reflect Unit work better. Of course this will not stop the 99.9% other people just using them for Fusions as I KNOW they will. Pot of Greed had to be banned here. Broken. Pot of Avarice should not even be called the replacement for it. If anything, Reckless Greed or Good Goblin Housekeeping is a better replacement for it.

What I want to see next update is:

Dark World nerfed. Dark Hole gone so Mirror Force can return. Then again the amount of Sakuretsu Armor and Mirror Force will just be annoying. Pot of Greed to come back for the TCG, although not a must. Ring of Destruction should come back and be off and on like Mirror Force. United We Stand needs to go. Breaker the Magical Warrior I would not mind just because he is in everyone's Deck and Sangan.
 
i want witch and graceful back! mirage can stay because of dark realm also i think that [prepare for this] yata should come back with the amount of dark world and anti-hand control nowadays yata doesn't seem that broken that much nowadays. plus ced banned so the first turn lock is gone.
 
Complex_Mind said:
I know the phrasing wasn't to attack me but there has been instances of disagreements between me and him in almost every thread I've posted in lately. I find that he is singling me out trying to prove me wrong. And I would prefer it if he would stop.
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Complex_Mind... as Digital Jedi already said, it wasn't meant as an attack on you. Viewing the quote from you I have here, I'd say you still don't understand...
Everyone (me, Jason, you, Digital Jedi, even John Danker, everyone) has sometimes that somebody else reacts on threads after you reacted. That isn't meant personal, it is just bad luck.

Some may have sometimes a bad day with reacting, but (almost, I hope almost isn't needed to add) everyone has friendly meanings with it.
Sometimes people go a bit too far. One way of another way (they see themselves or the mods do) they'll then temper it down.
From what I read, krazykidpsx is in no way doing it to offend you or such things... Just calm down please, ok? If krazykidpsx meant it in a wrong way, it already would have been said and there would have been taken action.
Please, don't overheat.
Greetings,
BenjaminMS
 
What I think what should be banned/restricted? Cyber Dragon should at last have a maximum of 2, maybe even 1.
D.D. Warrior is overpowered, even a bit broken, she should be on the banned list...
Chaos Sorcerer should be limited to 1... it is still too powerfull.
And about the Dark World monsters... put on Goldd a Limit of 2.
 
Personally, I'm perfectly alright with the list the way it is. If the list gets and longer, we're going to have to lower the deck-minimum to 35. Seriously, we're running out of cards here. Even if one person sees a card as "broken", another may have no problem with it, and that's fine. Everyone's perception is their own reality, a wise person once said, and it applies here.

But as far as what I'd like to see, I don't think it'd be terrible if Makyura the Destructor and Painful Choice came back. I never found either to be that threatening, really. And Good Goblin Housekeeping would be so much more worth it if it wasn't semi-limited. But that's just me.

Cyber Dragon won't be limited or semi-limited, I don't think. There's no point, seeing as how it's actually not that great. Really, nothing else needs to be limited, I think. :/
 
Don't expect Cyber Dragon to be banned/restricted/limited any time soon. Once it hits the field, it's just a Normal Monster with 2100 ATK. He aids in swarm/beatdown yes, but that's it.

And I seriously doubt they'd give Chaos Sorcerer any kind of restriction either, or they would have with the last list. Painful Choice coming back? That would be nice, but I doubt it with all the Pot of Avarice abuse that would be sure to follow.

Ring of Destruction I wouldn't mind seeing again. I really have no complaints with the current list and I said that when it originally came out. As for the next list, I see nothing in the current meta that deserves an appearance on the list that isn't there already.
 
There's a good reason to restrict/semi-restrict Cyber Dragon, its used in 2's or 3's a lot, but this card from Shadow of Infinity, could change things.

Proto Cyber Dragon
Light/Machine/3/1100/600
When this card is face-up on the field, the name of this card is treated as [Cyber Dragon]

DDA should also be restricted, just cause a lot of people run 3 of them.
 
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