Windows Vista .. anyone cares?

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I'm just curious how many of you folks are actually looking forward to Vista. Personally, I could do without it, BUT as a developer it's semi-required to be running the latest and greatest stuff. I just completed purchasing a king's ransom in memory for my 2 main PCs*, and I'm patiently awaiting my opportunity to download it (yes, it's legal, I have an MSDN subscription). Looks to me like it's been posted, since I can't even get into the site right now!

I've played with the Release Candidates, and other than it being a SERIOUS memory pig (700MB just to boot) ... it's not too bad in my opinion. Note: If you have less than 2GB of RAM, you're kidding yourself. DON'T RUN VISTA. Trust me on that one. A Core 2 Duo would be nice too, but my old hyperthreaded P4 3.06GHz here performed admirably with RC2.

One reason I'm asking is because RONIN has some difficulties on Vista. It would be good to get a read on if a 1.2 needs to be created, or if the world can wait for a 2.0 instead.


* Why on Earth is Rambus memory still so expensive?!? My goodness ... if not for eBay it would have been cheaper to buy a new machine than it would have been to upgrade this to 2GB. O-U-C-H! Replacing all the memory in my laptop was trivial compared to this Rambus stuff!
 
I am still fighting with XP. I don't even want to know about Vista. I want my '98 back.

I am getting farther and farther away from cutting edge. I used to know computers pretty well, but now I am almost lost.

Didn't Kurt Rambus play for the Lakers? :?
 
Digital Jedi said:
Wait, they've already replaced XP? Dang. =/
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Already?!? Dude, XP is over 5 years old! I think that makes it the longest period of time between OS upgrades from Microsoft, too.
 
I figured they were just going to modify the existing system. All these new versions of existing software gets old after a while. Er, you know what I mean.
 
VISTA!?!?! PAH!!! XD I say it can go die in a hole. It's garbage, plain old garbage. I have a Pentium M at 2.13GHz and 1.5GB RAM and ATI Radeon X300 and I can run it perfectly. HOWEVER. Support? Wow, support isn't even a word in Vista. My external sound card doesnt work in Vista, my modem doesnt, my internal sound only half works, my wireless is wonky...etc. The only Vista has going for it is that it looks half decent. In addition, Vista will have ACTIVE DRM. (Will explain upon request). No more piracy or downloading for any of us now! AND you can only activate it supposedly 3 times in a lifetime.

In my opinion...I'd rather use a Mac than Vista. And that is saying something since I use Linux...XD Come on...Mac OS 1 supports more than Vista does...stupid Vista...doesn't even support Maple Story....-.-

/rant


Yay for Yuki's rants! n___________n
 
Silverlight said:
AND you can only activate it supposedly 3 times in a lifetime.
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Just to clarify on that one point .. they changed that prior to RTM. The license is the same as Windows XP now. Time will tell how hard it really will be to switch machines and how often Vista phones home to try and catch you in the act. If they would just knock $150 off the rediculous price tag they probably wouldn't need to do it at all.

Not trying to debunk anything else you said ... it's all quite true!

So, how deep of a hole do you think you need to bury it in :D 27 feet should do, but you never know -- Windows Genuine Advantage might STILL be able to get ya ;)
 
No illegal downloads. Now how am I supposed to get copies of the Star Wars Holiday Edition, the live action Justice League of America TV Pilot or the original Fantastic Four movie? Buy them on the street like Weird Al?
 
or you know...buy them in a store XD. But yes, that's right, no more illegal stuff n.n This is why we use linux children n.n
 
Dudes vista has already been cracked and released online. its already possible to get it so if you guys think there might be any problems please remember one thing. It wont be long before someone either destroys it or makes it worthwhile.

HACK THE PLANET!!!!!!!!!

Though saying that ya wont see me getting vista unless i upgrade to a new machine.
 
hehehe, well...it's not hard to crack it obviously. However the active DRM will get you when it comes to being genuine. Beware the DRM! XD Not to mention what will happen when Intel and AMD implement TXT into their processors...
 
Silverlight said:
or you know...buy them in a store XD. But yes, that's right, no more illegal stuff n.n This is why we use linux children n.n
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I'm afraid those items are not for sale anywhere, except at those lovely DVD dealers at comic cons. :D
 
Im not fussed. Ive seen mates get away with using a lot of cracked software costing too much to calculate but the businesses dont care enough to stop these guys cos either way their product gets sold. Thankfully I always got windows free with any machine i bought or was given.
 
I'm making that request, ms. Silverlight.(I'm quite confused by all these big words... *swirly eyes*)
 
Okay. Active DRM.

Active DRM also stands for Digital Rights Management. This is a tool or function that has been inplemented as of Windows XP SP2. It is a utility that uses Product Keys and server side communication in order to validate the installation of a program and deem it a genuine installation. Up until now, DRM has not been a very strong utility and therefore it hasn't done much. But now, Vista hopes to change that. From release an on, DRM will get stricter and stricter. DRM will detect when an installation begins. When a product key is entered, it will communicate with the product's server and check to see if this key has been entered and on what machine, etc. After which time it will decide if this is a genuine or cracked installation. If deemed genuine, the installation will complete. If deemed cracked, the install will abort and they are making threats about little "side effects" of failed installations.

As for TXT. This is like DRM at the hardware level rather than software. DRM works in Windows where as TXT works in the processor. So, Intel, AMD, possibly Apple, etc are all collaborating together in order to implement DRM into the processor (aka TXT). This will allow these big corporations to decide what the processor will and will not process. For example, a genuine windows installation will process, but the processor may refuse to process keyloggers or auto clickers or even go so far as to say that it refuses to process keygens. (bye bye keygens...)

That's the description of TXT and DRM.

As for you EmeraldDragon, yes cracked software is common and almost unavoidable. However, instead of charging people for it and trying to sue them, companies will just use DRM and TXT in order to cause your computer to refuse to even process this software. In my opinion, if all of this passes into the release of Vista and the new Intel Core 2 Duo 6350+ series that is still yet to come...Microsoft is finished.
 
great explanation! I understood it perfectly! now that I know what it all is, I can make a intellegent comment. :p

I don't think I like that development. will it only be applied to the installation of major apps like Norton, or other stuff like PC games(i.e. Halo, and other such games)?
 
DRM = For media
WGA = For software (Formerly Product Activation)

Same basic concept, but the RIAA doesn't give a hoot about WGA, and Microsoft (no matter what they say) doesn't give a hoot about DRM.

I don't believe that WGA has anything to do with the CPU currently, other than noting if it's changed. All those features they're working on are more for DRM. I can't confirm nor deny the statements about certain software 'refusing to process', that's news to me. (And it would go over about as well as a lead balloon)

DRM = A good thing, or at least it will be when they finally get it right. Yeah, you might actually have to PAY for things, but unless it's public domain you should be paying for it anyway. Steal a book from Borders and see how they react. It's the same thing folks.

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bear said:
I don't think I like that development. will it only be applied to the installation of major apps like Norton, or other stuff like PC games(i.e. Halo, and other such games)?
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Probably, but don't confuse the technologies. Applications like Norton and Microsoft Office ALREADY do this. On the gaming front, I'd expect to see more things like what VALVe has done, not what Microsoft has done. Although I wouldn't put it past them to do it their own PC games.
 
Wouldn't they use the same technology? I mean, since it deals with "while installing"? I know how Microsoft office works; it's pretty simple. only allows three installs right? Norton, in the recent past allows unlimited installs, but you have to register online...seems different to me.

And pardon my vast ignorance, but what is VALVe?
 
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