Ya think FOTB is a bit "expensive" pack for a good pack?

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STON was also a very GOOD pack as well IMO.

However, STON cards, at least the ones we see ALOT of play, were all common, or rares.

Cards we see

Pulling the Rug, Rare
Advanced Ritual Art, Common
N-Space Grand Mole, Rare
D.D. Crow, Rare
Twister, Rare

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I mean, the cards that's expensive that's actually being used are

Card Trader, Super Rare. Only used by some Gadget decks in tournaments
Grandmaster of the Six Samurai, Secret Rare. Only see it in Six Samurai deck.
Great Shogun Shien, Super Rare. Only see it in SOME Six Samurai decks.

And that's about it. I mean, there's a couple others, like Dark World Dealing, Skyscraper 2, etc. but you don't see those decks in tournaments at all. (E-hero is still weak, and Dark World is taking a HUGE break at the moment)

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Overall, although there were ALOT of good cards, they all ended up being Common/Rare for us and I don't remember spending much money AT ALL except for Card Trader for me.

But for FOTB... oh man, the cards we'll seek after

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Raiza the Storm Monarch, Super Rare. I expect this thing to be at LEAST 20 bucks on e-bay. And online card-selling websites.... at least 30~40 bucks. I also expect this will be the most popular card of FOTB. All monarch decks will be running this. And even other non-monarch decks will consider this card instead of the usual Zaborg cause of too many "floater" monsters running around in CC. (e.g. Treeborn Frog, Sangan, Gadget, E-Hero Stratos, GK Spy, Hydrogeddon, Card Trooper, etc.)

Sky Scourge Norleras, Super Rare. Hey, it's CED who came back to haunt us like... yeah. I bet little kids are asking their mommy why is CED back right now. Anyway, I expect this to be #2 or #1 rivaling Raiza. And with this card out, people WILL bother trying to get those Gellenduo/Nova Summoner that most people didn't bother getting cause it was secret rare and thus the trade value is too expensive. Especially Gellenduo as that'll be definately a better substitute for Spirit Reaper for Norleras OTK decks.

Sky Scourge Enrise, Super Rare. See, we're already hitting 3x Super Rares already. While this won't be as much big value as Norleras. If the player wants a more "controlled win" like what Chaos Sorcerer used to do rather then, "explode everything!" random ultimate bomb of Norleras, then they can run this dude. Again, Gellenduo and Nova Summoner will shine in this deck. (heck, I'm thinking it might be a must to run 3x Shining Angel/3x Nova Summoner for this version)

Crystal Beast Sapphire Pegasus, Ultra Rare. Like Shien and Grandmaster, only for Crystal Beast decks. However, Crystal Beast decks are considered to be MAJOR THREATS. If players in Japan have Enchanted Arrow/Living Arrow in their sidedeck JUST TO COUNTER THIS, it means something. (OCG card only, we don't have it) I also expect more people to have Mobius or at least Twister/dust Tornado in sidedeck once FOTB cards become legal play cause of this deck theme.

Rare Value, Ultra Rare. Again, read Sapphire Pegasus.

That's already 3x Super rare and 2x Ultra Rare.... that's ALOT of expensive cards. This is great for sellers but kinda bad news for us buyer/card players.

Other then those, the NON-expensive cards

Ancient City - Rainbow Ruins, Rare. For Crystal Beast decks of course. But they need this field spell card.

Crystal Beast Topaz Tiger, Rare. Read Rainbow Ruin.

Crystal Beacon, Crystal Blessing, Crystal Abundance, Crystal Promise, Common. Well, at least these guys aren't expensive for Crystal Beast decks.

Backs to the Wall, Common. The literally OTK card for Six Samurai deck. Think of it as RftDD for them, except they stay on the field like Dimension Fusion.

Tornado, Common. I honestly didn't care for this card. But if we see a HUGE RISE in ChainStrikeBurn and Crystal Beast deck, this is an alternative to the usual Twister/Dust Tornado.


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Overall, what STON pack gave us IMO.

Demise OTK deck. But the addition was just a Common Card. The expensive cards came from other packs. So if you think about with just STON, just 3x normal common cards. Kinda like the most played "crap set" known as CDIP is pretty much Snipe Hunter, and then ChainStrike/Accumulative Fortune, which are all common BTW.

Six Samurai. Okay, the ONLY expensive build for STON pack. Needed 3x Promo/Secret Rares, and maybe 0~2x Super rares. But for Crystal Beast decks, they need 6x Ultra Rares plus a couple rare cards to make it.

And after that, it pretty did wonders to our sidedecks with STON packs cause of Pulling the Rug, Twister, D.D. Crow, etc. (And some decks main-decking N-Spacian Grand Mole. I usually see this guy in either Rat Control or Gadget deck.) Although we're seeing less D.D. Crow and more Banisher of the Radiance usually. And Twister is usually sidedecks in decks that have horrible weaknesses. (e.g. DDT, ChainStrike, etc.) Most cases, it's just 3x Rugs in sidedecks to go against Monarch/Gadget/Demise. :p

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Anyway, my conclusion is. This pack is different. All the "hot cards' in STON were just common/rares. And they were valued for their sidedeck options mostly. But for this one, the hots cards are all Super Rares. And Ultra Rares for Crystal Beast decks. And really, even IF we're not gunna make one, we ALL LOVE CED Envoy of the End. (or we hated to death as taboo) So just for collection, I'm expecting everyone to want to have 3x Raiza/Norleras/Enrise for their collection. And then make a Norleras/Enrise variant of Chaos decks once someone makes a good formula in SJC. Come on, we all have 3x of all the Monarch in our binders to be used sometimes (except for Granmarg) and at least have 1x of both Envoy in our collections "just in case" if Konami got really drunk and decided to bring it back for some god forbidden reason.
 
Largely, yes, there are some high end cards in the FOTB, but there also was some in STON. The difference is how much they are sought after, and that's what determines rariety. I admit there was a good common build going on in STON, but I'm not adequetly prepared by any means, and neither is anyone else, to realize what's going to have a big enough effect to spark expensive interest. The main point, is that it all comes down to if the higher-end cards are more wanted then the STON high end cards in order to decide if it's more "expensive". This end will only be met if chaos makes a huge comeback, and these Crystal Beasts live up to the hype of their supporters.
 
The way I read it, you're claiming that nearly all of the good and powerful cards in FOTB are really rare cards. Has it occurred to you that perhaps that's how it SHOULD be? Why put two cards of differing strengths on the same level rarity-wise? If everyone has easy access to all the most powerful cards, how much variation in Decks do you really expect? They'll be netdecking like crazy, desperately finding the best use for their Enrise, while ignoring, say, the Volcanic cards that have some good potential.

As Oceanus said, they're rare because they're hyped. Everyone loves the Chaos monsters, and everyone knows about the Crystal Beasts (at least because they've seen the show, whose featured cards are always disproportionately rare, so I think that most of the Crystal Beasts being common is a great step).

And this is Konami's logic. The powerful cards are harder to get, and everyone wants them. Therefore they'll buy more packs in order to get these cards. More sales = Win. Shrewd, even if you happen not to like it.



I also notice that you're comparing FOTB only with STON. Why? What is STON was the freak set that contained a bunch of commons that so happened to be usable? Sets do vary, and they're not all going to be as good as each other, or have their cards proportioned well in terms of rarity. As I've said, the rarer the card is, the more powerful it should be (and vice versa). And as far as that goes, this set looks like a good example of that ideology.

So stop complaining that the hyped cards are rare. Put that effort into obtaining them instead, if you so desire. Or play with your common Six Samurai (which I think are a very good theme now, perhaps even moreso than your Norleras). Not everything in life is easy to come by, and your neo-Chaos monsters are just that.
 
I say that while you think all the money cards are the best ones I think thats absolute rubbish. Just cos a card is rare doesnt mean its good. Personally the commons in FOTB sound better to me than the rares. Except for the volcanic rares of course which are nice. Basicly as far as im concerned FOTB is the same as any other set. The best cards are the commons cos nobody sees them coming.
 
EmeraldDragon said:
I say that while you think all the money cards are the best ones I think thats absolute rubbish. Just cos a card is rare doesnt mean its good. Personally the commons in FOTB sound better to me than the rares. Except for the volcanic rares of course which are nice. Basicly as far as im concerned FOTB is the same as any other set. The best cards are the commons cos nobody sees them coming.
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Oh, I don't actually think the "money cards" are the best ones. Any card can be good. It's just that the really rare cards tend to have power behind them, or are the popular ones (i.e. featured in the series). I'm not saying common cards aren't powerful; just that the rarest ones would tend to be as well.

I don't really look at all the cards being released, mainly because I'm hardly active in the game. I skim through the spoilers, looking slightly harder at the rarest cards for the purposes of my DMA project (see my signature - unfortunately I haven't been at it for ages, but I hope to start up again in a month after exams). So I don't know what cards would help out which Decks and by how much, because I'm not too familiar with any. I attribute this to gross distractions recently (University, anime, computer games, social life, etc. etc.). There's just not much on offer for me in England Yu-Gi-Oh!-wise, not I'm not that tempted to really dive into it.

But that doesn't make my opinion invalid, mind you. I have a good mind, which can make up for lack of experience.
 
Siding partially with EmeraldDragon, I believe the commons make a bigger impact on my local metagame the most, because whatever is in it is what becomes most available, and thus I see more of particularly good themes and strategies made with more commons than anything else, because those are what's available.

This idea becomes more understood when you play in a Sneak Peek, because 1 or 2 Supers you might draw that connect with some theme isn't going to help you! It's the common build that you have to hope you get cards that have synergy with each other, because it's not very likely you're gonna get the whole rare set of crystal support and have a crystal deck that work.

STON succeeded I think in that goal for me, the commons of the pack did well in the Sneak Peek, particularly because no player really had any other choice but to play a common build of Six Samurais =), which I thought was excellent.
 
actually, glow moss is a common that is very very good, when used in the proper deck

summon glow moss
your opponent loses battle phase.
play llab
play wave
play prohib 2x targeting heavy and mst
then wait.
i inflicted 7000 direct. then hit w/ my sangan for game.
 
Cyber twin king said:
actually, glow moss is a common that is very very good, when used in the proper deck

summon glow moss
your opponent loses battle phase.
play llab
play wave
play prohib 2x targeting heavy and mst
then wait.
i inflicted 7000 direct. then hit w/ my sangan for game.
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Nice idea, but one with too many gaps. For each attacking involving Neo-Spacian Glow Moss, your opponent gains 1 card. Plus, if your opponent attacks and draws a Spell Card, nothing happens, and you most likely lose your Glow Moss. And then it's susceptible to any kind of monster removal. Your opponent can chain to its effect with Sakuretsu Armor, Raigeki Break or any other card he wants, to destroy your Glow Moss. And even that's not mentioning the 7 or 8 or 9 turn wait for your Wave-Motion Cannon, during which your opponent can gather many cards to counter your stall.

Good luck pulling it off.
 
Some sets are heavy on the theme-specific ultra rares. Remember that initially, all the E-hero fusions were ultras? Putting together an E-Hero deck then was very expensive...

What changes the meta for most people are the so called 'power cards' which may be of any rarity. There are many other cards in each set with could well be ultra or super, but never quite make it to anybodies deck apart from those people who like trying to build creative and unusual decks.
 
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