a question about United We Stand

[dementedmercenary]

I was battling my friend, and i was using United We Stand, for those that don't know(United We Stand...For evey face-up monster you conol, incease he ATK and DEF of he equipped monse by 800 poins.) on a Skilled White Magician and my opponent activated Change of Heart, my question is if he activated Change of Heart, does the United We Stand still affect him, I say it doesn't, since he wasn't on my side of the field, but my opponent says it goes with him, Please help with this question. :bag:

 

[xxxVIPERxxx]

United We Stand would go with the monster taken control of, but still stay in the original controllers S/T Zone. The boost would then be from the monster count on the controllers side at the time and not yours.

Understand?

I'm out!!

 

[krazykidpsx]

how many face up monsters on or the field?

if its just skilled white, then it goes but wont get the power up bonus since you no longer have any monsters on your side of the field that are face up.

 

[Maester Bacman]

Adding to what krazykidpsx said:

United We Stand:

"For every face-up monster you control, increase the ATK and DEF of the equipped monster by 800 points."

"you" means the controller of the "United We Stand" card.

That's all.

 

[Raijinili]

United We Stand would go with the monster taken control of, but still stay in the original controllers S/T Zone. The boost would then be from the monster count on the controllers side at the time and not yours.

Understand?

I'm out!!

The United We Stand doesn't "go" to your opponent. You can attach it to an opponent's monster and it'll still be, for all purposes, yours.

For example, once I had a Nobleman of Crossout face-down on the field and a UWS in hand, and nothing else in my reach. My opponent had a Dark Magician. I played UWS on his Dark Magician (giving him no boost, since I had no monsters on the field), and ended my turn. Smiling, of course. He probably could've killed me, and passed. I then drew Marauding Captain and summoned it, giving my opponent's Dark Magician an 800/800 boost, for a total of 800/800. He was too afraid to attack until he summoned Jinzo and then zapped my Nobleman of Crossout.

 

[xxxVIPERxxx]

United We Stand would go with the monster taken control of, but still stay in the original controllers S/T Zone. Theboost would then be from the monster count on the controllers side at the time and not yours.

Understand?

I'm out!!

READ WHAT I SAID GUYS!!

Maybe I didn't state it clear enough........

You will get UWS, but, it will stay on the opponents side of the field, and you will recieve a boost/ATK increase based on how many monsters are on YOUR side of the field. You will then return the monster to the opponents side at End Phase, and the monster will revert back to its an ATK value based on how many monsters they have. Only, if you didn't Tribute it or destroy it before that point.


This better? More understandable I hope???


I'm out!!

 

[Dlanaan]

That is not correct.

If I take control of a monster equipped with United We Stand, that monsters ATK/DEF boost from that card is based on the number of monsters on my opponent's side of the field, not mine. United We Stand cares only about ITS controller's field. It cares nothing for the monster it is equipped to.

 

[xxxVIPERxxx]

For the turn, thanks to CoH, I am the controller of both cards, UWS/Monster as I took it, UWS just stays on their side for the time being. Which then, would make it base offa my side, not thiers as I am controlling it.  It's mine along with the monster, so the boost would come from my side, not his, as for the time being, I am the controller......Not him.

If I am wrong, someone had better explain how this works, as I understand CoH allows me to take control of their monster and equips as if it was my own. Which, then, as I have stated, should allow it to vary according to what I have on my side of the field.

Explain where I went wrong?

I'm out!!

 

[Dlanaan]

No. If you take control of a monster equipped with an Equip Spell Card that is on my side of the field, *I* am still controlling the Equip Spell Card. United We Stand, if it is on my side of the field will count *MY* monsters.

This is better illustrated with Cestus of Dagla. If you take control of my monster equipped with Cestus of Dagla and inflict Life Point Damage, you will not gain any Life Points because you are not the controller of Cestus of Dagla (which specifically states when *this card* [meaning the Cestus of Dagla] inflict damage to your opponent's [referring to the opponent of the controller of Cestus of Dagla]).

Shooting Star Bow - Ceal states that the monster equipped with the card can attack 'your opponent's Life Points directly'. If you take control of my monster equipped with my Shooting Star Bow, you do not get to attack directly because I am not my opponent.

The text of United We Stand states: For every face-up monster *you* control, etc ... You always refers to the controller of the Equip Card.

Look at it from the perspective of Snatch Steal as well. In the case where one monster is equipped with two Snatch Steals (one from each player), by your logic, your opponent of the current controller of the monster would gain 2000 Life Points during his/her Standby Phase because you control the monster equipped with both cards and by extension you control both equip cards. This is not a correct situation. The real situation is that each player will gain 1000 Life Points during their respective Standby Phases because each player is still controlling their own respective Snatch Steal cards.

 

[xxxVIPERxxx]

K, got it......Thanx

I'm out!!

 

[roadhouse007]

Ok. I had this same question and just wanted to make sure this is currently the right way to rule this situation (since the last post on this thread was around this time last year)............


Player A has 2 face-up monsters, a Sangan and a Don Zaloog.
Player A's Sangan is equipped with United We Stand (currently 2600 ATK)
Player B activates Snatch Steal, taking the Sangan.
When Sangan goes to player B's side of the field, United We Stand will make it 1800 because the controller of United We Stand controls 1 monster.
After player A's Don Zaloog is destroyed, Sangan will go back down to 1000, because player A (controller of United We Stand) now has 0 monsters on his/her side of the field.

Just wanted to make sure here. Correct me if I'm wrong, and say something anyways if I'm right.

 

[Kenjiblade]

Hmm...revival of a 13-month old thread? Normally, I'd just lock this, but instead I'll answer your question before locking.

Yes, roadhouse007, what you stated is correct. "United We Stand" checks the number of monsters on Player A's side of the field, because Player A still controls "United We Stand".

What Dlanaan, Raijinili, and a few others stated over a year ago is still true.

So...Locking time. Any further questions or comments regarding this thread can be PM'd to me.

 

[Digital Jedi]

But we usually leave old threads open just for that reason. We have a differnt policy then most other forums.

EDIT: We have actually encouraged people to do this in the event information changes, so as to not have outdated info archived when people do searches.

 

[roadhouse007]

I looked at it this way: I searched the forum to make sure on the ruling, and I was just making sure that I understood what I read. I could have just started a new thread, but since I found this one I thought I would just bring it to attention. But thanks for the response though, Kenjiblade and DJ.