A question for everyone regarding "Priority".

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A question for everyone regarding "Priority".

Hello Everyone,
Todays disscution is going to be on "Priority". Now, I have contacted Upperdeck officials regarding the use of priority in the game of Yu-Gi-Oh. Well, they responded to me with "Yes, there is such thing as Priority in the game of Yu-Gi-Oh", and than they refered me to the "upperdeck advanced ruling" site. Now, no where on the Upperdeck site does it mention the word "Priority", I guess you can say, they imply it in some rulings. But as a judge, I can't tell my kids there" is" when they don't even mention it. Now the biggest problem I have, is who, what, and when is Priority used in the game.
As a judge and from what I know, this is
Priority: "The ability for the control of the turn, in play, to make a move, or activation of a card, in responce to another card, before your opponent gets the chance to respond, after that, your opponent can respond"

For Example:
Player A: During main phase one summons "tribe infection Virus"(Discard one card from your hand, and declare a type, and all monsters of that type on the field are destroyed).
Remember, Tribe is a"Cost Effect Monster"
Player B: Has the "Ring Of Destruction"(Destroy one monster on the field and do damage equal to the attack of the monster to both players life points) on his side of the field, he than attempt to activate the card, but
Player A: Than desides to use his Priority and activate Trible effect.
Now If I am correct: The effect of Tribe will be able to go through, and then the Ring of destruction will resolve the chain.

Please feel free to voice your opinion on this matter.
I want to know whats right and what is wrong, not according to what Netrep says but to whats legal in the Regionals and Nationals according to upperdeck as of now.
Thank you fro your time
Edward
 
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Re: A question for everyone regarding "Priority".

You are not totally correct. In your example, the proper action is when you Summon Tribe-Infecting Virus you state that you are using the effect immediately, or your opponent should ask you if you are going to use the effect. If you say no, then your opponent may activate RoD and you cannot stop it with Tribe's effect. In the situation you provided, the only reason you can choose to activate Tribe-Infecting Virus is because your opponent jumped the gun. By claiming priority, you basically are saying the activation of Ring of Destruction was illegal and it goes face down. You then activate Tribe-Infecting Virus and at that point, your opponent may activate Ring of Destruction. Regardless, Ring of Destruction will resolve first with Tribe-Infecting Virus resolving last.
 
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Re: A question for everyone regarding "Priority".

Since we're on the subject of priority and more specifically..chains....I'd like to ask this:

If someone activates a simple spell speed 1 magic card, for arguement's sake "Raigeki", then someone chains an already face down MST, I understand MST can't negate the activation of magic cards, I've read the ruling on that, but as chains go, MST resolves first and thus destroys Raigeki....how can Raigeki resolve if it is destroyed?

Bari

ps: I get the feeling I may get a 'just because' answer, but *chuckles* I've racked my brain over this logic and hope to finally get clarity (and closure) on this pondering. thanks much
 
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Re: A question for everyone regarding "Priority".

MST does not negate. it only destroys a spell or trap card. so raigeki's effect still goes through. it destroys raigeki but the effect still happen. thats why we have cards like magic jammer, magic drain... etc... :D

by the way, i think this might help regarding priority... advance phases of gameplay... here's the link:

http://www.eef3soft.com/yugioh/gameplay.htm
 
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Re: A question for everyone regarding "Priority".

baritonalharmony said:
Since we're on the subject of priority and more specifically..chains....I'd like to ask this:

If someone activates a simple spell speed 1 magic card, for arguement's sake "Raigeki", then someone chains an already face down MST, I understand MST can't negate the activation of magic cards, I've read the ruling on that, but as chains go, MST resolves first and thus destroys Raigeki....how can Raigeki resolve if it is destroyed?

Bari

ps:  I get the feeling I may get a 'just because' answer, but *chuckles* I've racked my brain over this logic and hope to finally get clarity (and closure) on this pondering.  thanks much
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I can understand your logic.

There is something you have to remember: magic/trap cards do not need to be on the field at resolution in order to resolve their effects unless they are a permanent, equip or field card. The reason permanents and such need to be on the field is because they provide a continuous effect that requires the card to be on the field to keep providing the effect, without the card the continuous effect can not function.

Another thing to note: the card Raigeki was destroyed, but not the effect. It's the effect that goes on the chain rather than the actual card, unless it's a permanent like I mentioned above.
 
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Re: A question for everyone regarding "Priority".

Thank you all for your opion, in regards to the first question. I meant to say Player A: activates apon summoning of the monster.
Ed
 
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Re: A question for everyone regarding "Priority".

Dlanaan said:
By claiming priority, you basically are saying the activation of Ring of Destruction was illegal and it goes face down. You then activate Tribe-Infecting Virus and at that point, your opponent may activate Ring of Destruction.
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Actually, unless Ring's target leaves the field because of seizing priority, Ring's activation is NOT illegal. That's why priority is so karma-listic!
 
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Re: A question for everyone regarding "Priority".

It was illegal in the sense that the controller of Tribe wanted to perform an action and the player activating Ring moved out of turn. It goes back face-down to wait for the controller of Tribe to activate its effect and then Ring may be activated.
 
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Re: A question for everyone regarding "Priority".

That is not correct. The whole issue with Priority is: I want to activate my effect before you get a chance to respond. Ring of Destruction/Torrential Tribute/etc. are considered activated illegally and are turned face-down because they were activated before priority had passed to that player. Using Priority in this manner does not 'push' the effect lower on the chain. It essentially forces a reset to the point before Ring of Destruction,etc. was activated to give the controller of Tribe's effect a chance to activate the effect. There are no effects in Yu-Gi-Oh! that allow an effect to 'push' itself lower in the chain.
 
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Re: A question for everyone regarding "Priority".

I got Robert Smith. What have you got?

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http://p078.ezboard.com/fyugiohquestionandanswerfrm16.showMessage?topicID=2.topic
[quote author=Raijinili] What happens is that you have to activate CED first, then your opponent can activate Ring. He made an illegal play.

Ring is chained onto CED's effect, so Ring resolves first. CED's cost is paid when you activate it, before any chains. Once both players lose from Ring of D., the game is over and CED doesn't resolve.[/quote]
[quote author=faithofthefallen] Raijinili - This is NOT an illegal play.

Okay... Let's clarify...

Summoning a Monster is not assigned to a Spell Speed, so there is no time in which it will resolve. Once the Monster is on the field, it is Summoned.

Ring of Destruction, Bottomless Trap Hole, Torrential Tribute, and Trap Hole have an ACTIVATION CONDITION. With Ring of Destruction a Monster must be face up on the Field. With Torrential Tribute, Trap Hole, etc, a Monster must be Summoned in order to activate it. Its the same way with other cards, like Mirror Force which has an activation condition of "your opponent declaring an attack with a Monster". Once this activation condition has been met, you can activate the card/effect.

Now this card effect must be activated within the next chain. It does not matter when it is activated in the chain as long as it is activated within that chain.

So, Player B is activating Ring of Destruction to destroy the Chaos Emperor Dragon after it has been successfully Summoned to the Monster Card Zone.

Now to clarify that awful word, "Priority".

"Priority" is a word we use to determine who gets to start a chain. It is not an official term. It simply serves as a reference for explaining that the Turn Player has the opportunity to start a chain.

Because it is Player A's turn, they are allowed to be the start of the chain if they have an effect to activate. Chaos Emperor Dragon has already been Summoned, and its face-up on the field, so it is allowed to activate its effect.

Player B has already activated Ring of Destruction. So Player A must tell his opponent that he/she wishes to be the start of that chain.

Player A chooses to activate Chaos Emperor Dragon's effect. (Spell Speed 1 Cost Effect.) It becomes the start of the chain.

So the chain now looks like this...

Player A: Activate Chaos Emperor Dragon. Pays 1000 LP.
Player B: Chains Ring of Destruction.

Because the target is still on the field and valid. There is no karauchi (or empty-hit) so the Ring of Destruction becomes the second step of the chain.

*A "karauchi" (pronounced kah-rah-oo-ch-ee) is a term used when the activation of the card is illegal. It simply means that the card returns to the point before activation. So if it was face-down in your Spell and Trap Card Zone it flips back face-down as if it wasn't activated, if it was in the hand it returns to the hand. Generally, a karauchi only occurs when there was no legal target upon activation of the card.

Now for simplicity sake, we'll say that nothing else is activated. So we step into the resolution of this chain.

The last effect (Ring of Destruction) will resolve first in the chain and so forth, so we are working backwards to find out the final result.

Player B: Ring of Destruction resolves. Destroys Chaos Emperor Dragon and deals damage to both Players.

Player A: Chaos Emperor Dragon resolves, as the effect was not negated. All remaining cards on the field are sent to the Graveyard. Player B receives damage.

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Key things to remember.

1.Summoning is not an "event". It is not assigned a Spell Speed.

2. An "activation condition" is something that must occur before an effect must be activated.

3. "Priority" simply is telling you that the Turn Player has the opportunity to start a chain.

4. If the Turn Player chooses to be the start of the chain, they are Step 1 and the effect (Ring of Destruction, Trap Hole, Torrential Tribute, etc.) becomes Step 2 of the chain.[/quote]
 
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Re: A question for everyone regarding "Priority".

From: "uthersknight" <katita_the_hero@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 3, 2004 8:42 am
Subject: Tribe, DD. Dragon, Torrential, Priority.


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Priority is the right of a player to activate something. Priority
passes to the opponent each time a chainabl event occurs. Summons
aren't chainable, so do not pass priority, which is where all the
confusion sets in. Well, here's a little more.

Player A has a Tribe Infecting Virus face up, Player B has Different
Dimension Dragon face up and Torrential Tribute face down. Player A
summons a Berserk Gorilla, and player B immediately responds with
Torrential Tribute. Player A then claims they wanted to use their
turn priority to use Tribe Infecting Virus's effect. Is that
possible?





Answer:

Player A has the opprotunity to activate the effect of "Tribe-Infecting Virus"
before their opponent can activate "Torrential Tribute."

Player B was jumping the gun and did not give them this chance.

In this situation, as it is presented, I would allow Player A to activate the
effect of their "Tribe-Infecting Virus" and then Player B can activate the
"Torrential Tribute."

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Curtis Schultz
Official UDE Netrep
CurtisSchultz_Netrep@h...

There are more posts from earlier, but I hope this is sufficient for my point?
 
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Re: A question for everyone regarding "Priority".

Official FAQ:
3-HUMP LACOODA


"3-Hump Lacooda"'s effect is a Trigger Effect.

You don't have to activate "3-Hump Lacooda"'s effect just because you have 3 copies in play.


You can choose which of the "3-Hump Lacoodas"' effects you are activating; it can be one of the ones you are Tributing or the one that is remaining on the field.


Tributing 2 "3-Hump Lacoodas" is a cost.


If your opponent chains "Ring of Destruction" or "Book of Moon" to the activation of "3-Hump Lacooda"'s effect, the effect is not negated.


[NEW 9/21/04] If you Summon your third "3-Hump Lacooda", you can activate its effect before your opponent activates "Torrential Tribute".

BREAKER THE MAGICAL WARRIOR


Placing a Spell Counter on "Breaker, the Magical Warrior" is a chain that begins after it is Summoned. If your opponent chains "Trap Hole" or "Ring of Destruction" to the placement of a Spell Counter on "Breaker, the Magical Warrior", "Trap Hole" / "Ring of Destruction" resolves before the Spell Counter is placed on "Breaker, the Magical Warrior", so you cannot chain "Breaker, the Magical Warrior"'s effect.

[You will note that it is always stated that Breaker 'uses' the priority upon being summoned.]

Chaos Emperor Dragon
If "Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End" is Special Summoned, and the controller immediately activates its effect, and the opponent chains "Torrential Tribute" as Step 2 of a chain, "Torrential Tribute" destroys all monsters on the field and sends them to the Graveyard, then "Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End"'s effect resolves, sends all Spell & Trap Cards on the field to the Graveyard, and inflicts 300 points of damage to the opponent for each Spell & Trap Card sent to the Graveyard by its effect. (Monster Cards do not count toward the damage because they were destroyed and sent to the Graveyard in the middle of the chain by "Torrential Tribute".)

CYBER RAIDER


You cannot equip an inappropriate Equip Spell Card like "Premature Burial" or "Snatch Steal" to Cyber Raider with his effect.

When you Normal Summon, Flip Summon, or Special Summon "Cyber Raider" and there is no Equip Spell Card on the field, "Cyber Raider"'s effect does not activate and cannot be chained to.


From the Judge Board
From: "msgundam03" <chipperfan_2000@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 5, 2004 2:46 pm
Subject: Tribe Infecting Virus - after its Special Summon


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Normally, "Tribe Infecting Virus" allows for a player to have Turn
Priority and activate its effect before the opponent can respond to
the summon with a card (such as "Trap Hole", "Torrential Tribute",
etc.)

But, what if TIV is being Special Summoned from the Graveyard by a
card like "Call of the Haunted". Granted the opponent does not
chain to CotH and TIV is summoned, would the player have Turn
Priority to activate its effect before the opponent could respond
with "Torrential Tribute"?

P.S. Sorry if I already asked this question and it just hasn't been
answered... I have a bad memory.





Answer:

The turn player will be able to activate the effect of the "Tribe-Infecting
Virus" before their opponent can activate a card effect, assuming this is
happening during one of their Main Phases.

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Curtis Schultz
Official UDE Netrep
CurtisSchultz_Netrep@h...

If this is not sufficient, I do not know what more to say. I do know that the rulings are worded as such because you cannot 'chain' to a Speed 2 effect with a Speed 1. Claiming Priority is just stating that you want to activate an effect first. You put your effect on the chain first and then if your opponent wishes, they chain to that.
 
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Re: A question for everyone regarding "Priority".

Dlanaan said:
Official FAQ:
3-HUMP LACOODA


"3-Hump Lacooda"'s effect is a Trigger Effect.

You don't have to activate "3-Hump Lacooda"'s effect just because you have 3 copies in play.


You can choose which of the "3-Hump Lacoodas"' effects you are activating; it can be one of the ones you are Tributing or the one that is remaining on the field.


Tributing 2 "3-Hump Lacoodas" is a cost.


If your opponent chains "Ring of Destruction" or "Book of Moon" to the activation of "3-Hump Lacooda"'s effect, the effect is not negated.


[NEW 9/21/04] If you Summon your third "3-Hump Lacooda", you can activate its effect before your opponent activates "Torrential Tribute".

BREAKER THE MAGICAL WARRIOR


Placing a Spell Counter on "Breaker, the Magical Warrior" is a chain that begins after it is Summoned. If your opponent chains "Trap Hole" or "Ring of Destruction" to the placement of a Spell Counter on "Breaker, the Magical Warrior", "Trap Hole" / "Ring of Destruction" resolves before the Spell Counter is placed on "Breaker, the Magical Warrior", so you cannot chain "Breaker, the Magical Warrior"'s effect.

[You will note that it is always stated that Breaker 'uses' the priority upon being summoned.]

CYBER RAIDER


You cannot equip an inappropriate Equip Spell Card like "Premature Burial" or "Snatch Steal" to Cyber Raider with his effect.

When you Normal Summon, Flip Summon, or Special Summon "Cyber Raider" and there is no Equip Spell Card on the field, "Cyber Raider"'s effect does not activate and cannot be chained to.
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It's impossible to claim priority with a triggered effect. These are irrelevent.

Chaos Emperor Dragon
If "Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End" is Special Summoned, and the controller immediately activates its effect, and the opponent chains "Torrential Tribute" as Step 2 of a chain, "Torrential Tribute" destroys all monsters on the field and sends them to the Graveyard, then "Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End"'s effect resolves, sends all Spell & Trap Cards on the field to the Graveyard, and inflicts 300 points of damage to the opponent for each Spell & Trap Card sent to the Graveyard by its effect. (Monster Cards do not count toward the damage because they were destroyed and sent to the Graveyard in the middle of the chain by "Torrential Tribute".)

From the Judge Board
From: "msgundam03" <chipperfan_2000@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 5, 2004 2:46 pm
Subject: Tribe Infecting Virus - after its Special Summon

Normally, "Tribe Infecting Virus" allows for a player to have Turn
Priority and activate its effect before the opponent can respond to
the summon with a card (such as "Trap Hole", "Torrential Tribute",
etc.)

But, what if TIV is being Special Summoned from the Graveyard by a
card like "Call of the Haunted". Granted the opponent does not
chain to CotH and TIV is summoned, would the player have Turn
Priority to activate its effect before the opponent could respond
with "Torrential Tribute"?

P.S. Sorry if I already asked this question and it just hasn't been
answered... I have a bad memory.





Answer:

The turn player will be able to activate the effect of the "Tribe-Infecting
Virus" before their opponent can activate a card effect, assuming this is
happening during one of their Main Phases.

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Curtis Schultz
Official UDE Netrep
CurtisSchultz_Netrep@h...
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This is not "taking priority". It is irrelevent.

If this is not sufficient, I do not know what more to say. I do know that the rulings are worded as such because you cannot 'chain' to a Speed 2 effect with a Speed 1. Claiming Priority is just stating that you want to activate an effect first. You put your effect on the chain first and then if your opponent wishes, they chain to that.
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Since I got into a fight with Doc Hangman because of unclear positions, let me reclarify.
According to Robert Smith and what else I know, when your opponent plays Ring of Destruction on your Tribe Infecting Virus without giving you a change to activate its effect, you may force TIV's effect into step 1 of the chain, and Ring of Destruction up to step 2. I believe this is supported by some other rulings, but they might have been triggered effects.
 
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Re: A question for everyone regarding "Priority".

Regardless, in this matter, I believe Robert Smith to be incorrect. The Netreps have stated something completely different. I would like to say Kevin Tewart has clarified the issue, but he is sitting on the priority issue for a bit.
 
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Re: A question for everyone regarding "Priority".

The thing with *priority* is that the turn player gets the priority to activate his effect monsters first after the monster is normal summoned, flip summoned, or special summoned. If the turn player passed on his/her priority, then the opponent can respond to the summon, and the turn player cannot activate his/her monster's effect because he/she cannot chain to a spell speed 2 (provided the monster is not a multi-trigger effect monster), and thus the turn player missed his/her chance use the monster's effect.

This is why it is important to ask the turn player first if he/she wishes to activate the monster's effect first before responding. If they pass, then it is too late for him/her to change his/her mind when the opponent responds by activating a trap or quick-play spell card..
 
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Re: A question for everyone regarding "Priority".

Don't EVER take an answer from Robert Smith as having any weight of authority. He has been consistently incorrect in rulings.
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Hee hee... dis'!

2) the consistency that has been maintained by the Official UDE Netreps is the way it works for now until Kevin posts an official explanation otherwise.
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You mean the consistency where you retracted everything you've ever said about it?

That said, I wish I could actually read full Japanese... not that I don't believe you, but you said "for the moment".
 
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