a question in a ruling..or is it?

[Melchiah76]

i need someone's help, here....i think i saw an error on the netrep page regarding "the roc from the valley of haze". it's more like a "misleading" paragraph. to ilustrate, here's the text i was looking for.

"the roc from th valley of haze"
Card Text
When this card is sent directly from your hand to the Graveyard, add this card to the Deck and shuffle it.

here's the ruling. (found in te netrep page)

Rulings
Because this effect is a mandatory Trigger Effect, you cannot "miss the timing" with it. So even if you send "Roc from the Valley of Haze" to the Graveyard as a cost, or in the middle of a chain, it will still return to your hand (after resolving the current series of events).

if you look, it says "return to you hand". i know this is the wrong forum to post, but could you give me some directions where to post it, so that they change that line??...

 

[helpoemer316]

First off any error found on Netrep is an error that you'll find on UDE's own FAQ pages. All rulings on Netrep are the exact same from the UDE website. If UDE has an error on their pages then you may want to report it to them either via the judge list or via email to UDE.

BTW, it's Roc from the Valley of Haze not "The Roc". I had a hard time finding it at first just for that very reason. I cross referenced what we have compared to what UDE has over at their FAQ pages on yugioh-card.com and they have the exact same text.

This is something you'll want to inform them of since it is their mistake, not ours.

 

[Melchiah76]

First off any error found on Netrepâ„¢ is an error that you'll find on UDE's own FAQ pages. All rulings on Netrepâ„¢ are the exact same from the UDE website. If UDE has an error on their pages then you may want to report it to them either via the judge list or via email to UDE.

BTW, it's Roc from the Valley of Haze not "The Roc". I had a hard time finding it at first just for that very reason. I cross referenced what we have compared to what UDE has over at their FAQ pages on yugioh-card.com and they have the exact same text.

This is something you'll want to inform them of since it is their mistake, not ours.

thank's, my bad on the name, though, and i didn't intended to call you guy's "misleading". i had a similar case with dark mirror force text, but i did found a forum on wich to put that case (wich, by the way, hasn't changed). you guys do a heck of a job lendig this page as a tool to anyone who is willing to learn the rules and become a better player. i started this message so let you guy's know that simple error. maybe it's not your fault, but know you kinow if some new kid comes asking "does roc from the valley of haze returns to the hand or the deck".

thanks for the speedy answer, too!!!!...and i will mail UDE so that they become aware of the situation.

 

[Melchiah76]

again, with the doubt......

i know that i must use common logic on this, and it's like asking "hey, my card doesn't states that it has to die" sort of questions. im just confused by this matter and i have to ask this.

could someone explain to me, in kids words if you like, where in the text, resolution, effect, or time does the card "Roc from the valley of haze" (i got it right this time, helpoemer!)returns to the hand?.

i got a response from Eric Tice on the subject. but i guess i asked the wrong type of question, because i got a response of "errata". i am bugging you guy's (i know the feeling) because i wanna build a beast themed deck, with 2 manticores, and i know this card (roc) can help me abuse the manticore.i use common logic on this one, and i will follow the card's text, pure and simple. but, if there's a "thing in the effect" that i have mossed, i subdue tou your knowledge.

can someone explain to me if, in fact, i can return RFTVoH to the hand, after it gets discarded from the hand?

thanks a lot you guys.

 

[Raigekick]

Roc from the Valley of Haze is a Trigger Effect. So, when it is sent from your hand to the Graveyard, its effect will trigger.

Example:
If you discard Roc for TIV's effect, Roc's effect will trigger and will start a new chain after the chain block of TIV's effect resolves. When Roc starts a new chain, your opponent may add an effect to that chain.

EDIT: I don't know if the error is in the card's text or in the FAQ, but it looks like it will still be a Trigger Effect. If UDE mentions something like an "Errata" will be released, then it might be the text that is in errer. Do you mind if you post your email and response to this thread? Thanks.

 

[Melchiah76]

Roc from the Valley of Haze is a Trigger Effect. So, when it is sent from your hand to the Graveyard, its effect will trigger.

Example:
If you discard Roc for TIV's effect, Roc's effect will trigger and will start a new chain after the chain block of TIV's effect resolves. When Roc starts a new chain, your opponent may add an effect to that chain.

EDIT: I don't know if the error is in the card's text or in the FAQ, but it looks like it will still be a Trigger Effect. If UDE mentions something like an "Errata" will be released, then it might be the text that is in errer. Do you mind if you post your email and response to this thread? Thanks.

sure i will post it. and thanks for the explination, the thing is, im still with that d&&) bug.

i know that if i discard RFTVoH from my hand from, lets say, TIV effect/magic jammer/monster reincarnation. i know that it is in fact a trigger effect, and when those cards effects are resolved, RFTVoH goes............where???? that is the question. in the card text it says "to the deck". in the ruling "to the hand".

wich of the two is accurate?

maybe what im missing is that if i activate TIV, discard RFTVoH,TIV resolves, and my oponent activates a quickplay spell card.....then, if my logic serves me right, i can use the same RFTVoH that i had used to pay the cost of magic jammer??

but then again.....heres the text of the mail.

"What errata are you talking about? It is a mandatory trigger, as written on the card. we already knew that"¦but thanks.



Eric Tice
Game Support Rep
Upper Deck Entertainment
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From: FREDDY PEREZ [mailto:wan_freddy@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 5:20 PM
To: Customer Service
Subject: Yu-Gi-Oh!! Card Text Error



Thanks for taking the time of reading this mail.

i would like to submit a "text error" on one particular card. let me put the text that it's writen in the card, and the aleged error.

"Roc from the valley of Haze" RDS-EN015

Card Text: When this card is sent directly from your hand to the Graveyard, add this card to the Deck and shuffle it.


and this is the ruling text.

Rulings

Because this effect is a mandatory Trigger Effect, you cannot "miss the timing" with it. So even if you send "Roc from the Valley of Haze" to the Graveyard as a cost, or in the middle of a chain, it will still return to your hand (after resolving the current series of events).
so, i have pinpointed the so called "error" i found in the text. by all means, im not saying that im an expert on the rulings, nor do i mean to judge your criteria. im just a player with a doubt. i saw this ruling on the netrep page (www.netrep.net), and they told me to contact you guys. again, im not an expert on the subject. i just felt in my judgement to let you know on this situation.

feel free to make any comments that you please, but take into consideration that im not triying to go against nobody's criteria.

Thanks again for the time, and, if someone see's this mail, and i send it to the wrong place, please, direct this mail to the person/department that is supposed to go to.



Your's Truly.

Miguel Alfredo Perez Gonzalez. Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico.

this is a copy of the mail i wrote and the respones i received.

 

[DimensionalWarrior]

RocFTVoH is returned to the deck. You must follow the text on the card unless it has errata.

Confusions may happen (Same for the case of Fiend Skull Dragon where the rulings said you can destroy it with Ring of Destruction...bad example, but no one is perfect! )

It will end up fixed in soon, don't worry.

PD: If it was returned to you hand, it would be at least a Rare! Very broken with TIV or Graceful Charity!

 

[CraniumX]

PD: If it was returned to you hand, it would be at least a Rare! Very broken with TIV or Graceful Charity!

Not necessarily, there /is/ Night Assailant afterall, which can almost be abused in such a manner, and it's just a common.

 

[DimensionalWarrior]

Not necessarily, there /is/ Night Assailant afterall, which can almost be abused in such a manner, and it's just a common.

You're right, but you need TWO night assailants to combo (plus GC or TIV). Here you would need only one card and GC/TIV (Believe me, that's A LOT of difference, specially if you are top-decking )

 

[Melchiah76]

thks, guys. i know i have to follow tha card's text. and i know im making a big wave out of a pond. the thing is, that if someone reads the same ruling, people will get confused. another point is perfection. im not saying that EVERY card and his ruling has to be perfect, but just to be a little more cooperative in the situation. in my area, 2 or 3 people that i know are such obnouxios as to the point of despair (hey, 2 card names!!) when it comes to ruling. they completly forget that this game, as all of them, r to put some competiton on us, and to have a good time, not argue for everything. i will see that those people are informed on this card (i have see them use it sometimes.)

thanks a lot you guys.....keep up the good work, and if you happen to visit/live nera the san diego area, como to Tijuana and pay us a visit!