A very interesting Dimension Wall ruling..

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I got that in my thread that I announced that I passed my L2 test.

Very interesting. It seems to be the only card that redirects battle damage that I can think of. Either that or Curtis is wrong.

I think the mechanical reason of why Dimension Wall does Battle Damage instead of Effect Damage is because the effect can't be chained to. This would explain why you can't activate Barrel Behind the Door. However, Barrel Behind the Door can only activate directly in a chain to cards that will do immediate Effect Damage.

Thoughts from you guys on this ruling?
 
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Seems rather straightforward to me. I think maybe we're getting confuzzled by the effects that redirect attacks, since there seems to be some consensus that redirected attacks aren't like normal attacks, but some kind of "effect attack".

Truthfully, I don't buy into that particular hypothesis. So the redirected Battle Damage is not hard for me to swallow. I think the problem here is the misinterpretation of Des Wombat's effect. He absorbs Effect Damage. Redirected Battle Damage is not an effect anymore then Piercing Battle Damage is an effect.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
Truthfully, I don't buy into that particular hypothesis. So the redirected Battle Damage is not hard for me to swallow. I think the problem here is the misinterpretation of Des Wombat's effect. He absorbs Effect Damage. Redirected Battle Damage is not an effect anymore then Piercing Battle Damage is an effect.
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Personally I see Des Wombat as another typically poorly worded card in the english language. It doesn't state effect damage, it states damage by card effect....bottomline, without Dimension Wall's effect (and it is a card) there would be no effect.

I completely understand it's redirected battle damage and I'm not arguing the ruling....I'm bemoaning yet another card whose text is misleading due to Konami's insistance that exact word translation be adheared to. It makes me wonder if they have any idea how difficult they make this game outside of their own country and how miffed it makes their own clients toward them....not good relations and not good for sales. It's amazing that anyone under the age of 15 can play this game with any accuracy whatsoever.
 
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krazykidpsx said:
sweet. I figure it just didnt target it, but if its like that then even better.
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The effect of Dimension Wall is targeting...it targets the monster who originally declared the attack. As far as cards not affected by traps, like Wildheart...the reason the effect still goes through is that the battle damage is redirected during the damage step. It doesn't alter the attack and it doesn't negate the attack like Magic Cylinder. It does, however, redirect battle damage that you would have taken.
 
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HorusMaster said:
The effect of Dimension Wall is targeting...it targets the monster who originally declared the attack. As far as cards not affected by traps, like Wildheart...the reason the effect still goes through is that the battle damage is redirected during the damage step. It doesn't alter the attack and it doesn't negate the attack like Magic Cylinder. It does, however, redirect battle damage that you would have taken.
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It does not target.
 
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Because a lot of people still get confused and compare it to Magic Cylinder. Magic Cylinder does 2 functions. It negates the attack. Then it inflicts the ATK as damage. All Dimensional Wall does is look for when a monster declares an attack, then creates a state (probably not the best use of term) in which for this very battle any battle damage you would have gotten goes to your opponent.
 
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Tiso said:
Because a lot of people still get confused and compare it to Magic Cylinder. Magic Cylinder does 2 functions. It negates the attack. Then it inflicts the ATK as damage. All Dimensional Wall does is look for when a monster declares an attack, then creates a state (probably not the best use of term) in which for this very battle any battle damage you would have gotten goes to your opponent.
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Which is why if the turn player activates Waboku earlier in the turn, before his own attack, say if the monster attacking is Spear Dragon and the defending monster is a defense position Goat Token, the opponent cannot even "activate" Dimension Wall.
 
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Tiso said:
I am sorry, but where is the confusion that Des Wombat is worded badly? It says clearly, damage from a card effect. Dimensional Wall clearly says, Battle Damage.
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Oh come now...you can't really tell me you don't see where there is room for doubt can you?

Answer these questions.

1. Does Des Wombat state that it protects the controler from damage by card effect?
2. Is Dimension Wall a card?
3. If not for Dimension Wall would there be any damage of any kind directed back toward the attacker before damage calculation?

Wouldn't it be much more clear for Des Wombat to state, "The controler of this card takes no effect damage" rather than stating card effect?

I accept the ruling but...
Is it clear? I think not.
 
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