archfiend of gilfer versus pandemoniun

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woltarr

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Archfiend of Gilfer
Attrib: Fiend/Effect
Group: Dark
Level:6
Atk: 2200
Def: 2500
When this card is sent to the Graveyard, you can activate its effect. You can then equip it to a monster on the field, and this card will be treated as an Equip Spell Card that decreases the ATK of the equipped monster by 500 points.



Pandemonium
Attrib: Spell Card
Group: Spell
Icon:Field
Neither player has to pay Life Points during the Standby Phase for Archfiend monsters. Each time a player's Archfiend Monster Card(s) are destroyed and sent to the Graveyard, except as a result of battle, that player can select 1 Archfiend Monster Card from his/her Deck that has fewer Level Stars than the destroyed card and add it to his/her hand.

i was wondering if i still get archfiend of gilfer effct if pandemoniun is on the field


or do i have to choose which effct to apply?

or do i have to resolve pandemoniun efct since it is a mandatory efct and loose the window of oportunity to resolve the effct of archfiend of gilfer?

imputs?

woltarr
 
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Pandemonium's effect is not manditory (See the word "can" in there). So both effects are optional. But if say your "Archfiend of Gilfer" was "Dark Hole"-ed, the timing would be correct to activate both effects so you'd have a SEGOC and you resolve 1 then the other.

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Pandemonium is an optional effect. I believe you would get both effects if Gilfer was monster and it was destroyed. You would just choose which one you wanted to resolve first.
 
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densetsu_x said:
Pandemonium's effect is not manditory (See the word "can" in there).  So both effects are optional.  But if say your "Archfiend of Gilfer" was "Dark Hole"-ed, the timing would be correct to activate both effects so you'd have a SEGOC and you resolve 1 then the other.

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archfiend of gilfer is a effct spell speed 2

pandemoniun is a effct spell speed 1

this will not mess with the SEGOC chain theory?

woltarr
 
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woltarr said:
densetsu_x said:
Pandemonium's effect is not manditory (See the word "can" in there).  So both effects are optional.  But if say your "Archfiend of Gilfer" was "Dark Hole"-ed, the timing would be correct to activate both effects so you'd have a SEGOC and you resolve 1 then the other.

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archfiend of gilfer is a effct spell speed 2

pandemoniun is a effct spell speed 1

this will not mess with the SEGOC  chain theory?

woltarr
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Pandemoniun is a spell speed 1 but its effect can be used on the opponents turn so wouldn't it then be classified as spell speed two. Thats a little confusing.
 
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Pandemonium is a Continuous Effect with a Trigger Effect also.

Remember, Trigger Effects can occur during the opponent's turn as well (attack that face-down DDWL and see what I mean). They are Spell Speed 1 though.
 
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densetsu_x said:
Pandemonium is a Continuous Effect with a Trigger Effect also.

Remember, Trigger Effects can occur during the opponent's turn as well (attack that face-down DDWL and see what I mean).  They are Spell Speed 1 though.
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Yeah I know I wasn't thinking. Spell speed two effects are mostly activated by the player. There may be a few that are trigger also but I can't think of any.
 
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may i assume that newdoria effct is also spell speed 1 even if i manage to select the monster that will be destroyed?

so a triguer efct is spell speed 2 when player activate the efct and not when it happens by meeting the right conditions?

woltarr
 
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No. Multi-Trigger effects are Spell Speed 2 (even though they aren't triggered usually, just manually activated).

Trigger Effects are Spell Speed 1.

See the FAQ and my love of how these things are mislabeled.
 
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