Batteryman AA

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Dillie-O

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Just to double check, since I didn't see any postings in the e-mail sent out to the judges. Batteryman DOESN'T include itself in ATK/DEF calculations, right? I know Goblin King doesn't count itself and the text is similar, minus the dependency on all of them to be in the same position?
 
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that's why I was advocating for looking at the opponent's facedown, while it is on the field, as part of the Tributing process for Metamorphasis.

I know that sounds wrong in the first place, because part of Tributing the monster is paying that cost of removing it from the field. But, Soul Exchange provides that one loophole, allowing you to tribute something you normally would not. In addition, the tribute for Metamorphasis requires a specific condition (the level) to determine whether its activation is legal or not.

However, if the activation is determined to be illegal and Metamorphasis goes back to the hand, then its a cost free peek at your opponent's card. That in itself shouldn't be allowed. So, that's the point in having Metamorphasis resolve without effect, from an illegal activation, rather than simply returning to hand.

....(I think that made sense).
 
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It's not only in the Soul Exchange case that this can happen. You always have to ability to Tribute a face-down with Metamorphosis.

You do not check at activation at all, it would try to resolve, you check the Fusion Deck, and then *poof* dissappear.

I honestly see no difference between activating Metamorphosis and and activating Monster Gate. They both call for a simple Tribute of any monster and search the Deck (Fusion for Meta).

You should not have to be required to have a legal monster in the Fusion Deck before activating it.

Just my thoughts

Something like Tribe is totally different, as the available Types are always face-up and known by the players and the game.
 
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when I saw Battery Man AA, I was blown away, but then I saw its type was thunder, not machine, as I originally thought.

ANyway, here's a killer combo with Batterman AA

Field
Battery Man AA

Face-up DNA Surgery (Machine)

Hand
Twin Swords of Flashing Light - Tryce
Machine Duplication
one other card, doesn't matter.

With this combo, you have two battery men AA with 3000, and one that can attack twice for 2500. Freakin awesome. Add Limiter Removal and BOOM!
 
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Don't ya think Thunder types should be of support? LoL

C'mon Thunder! The Creator, Thunder Nyan Nyan, and Batteryman AA! woot woot ^.^!

Anyways, Is this really the way it's going to be ruled?

If you were to tribute your opponent face-down monster, as of say Soul-Absorbing Bone Tower, and have no Level 3 Fusion Monster, it resolves of no effect?

In the thread, it was to be "taken back", as of taking a step back and bring back Soul-Absorbing Bone Tower and Metamorphosis to wherever it had gone, but also that the effect of Soul Exchange has been used. I don't agree with it.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
Mystik Wok
You can Tribute face-down monsters, or your opponent's monster using "Soul Exchange".
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You may have missed the point DJ.

A monster card face-down has no attribute, no effect, no type, etc. Kaibaman and The Creator Incarnate are Ignition Effects monsters.

But how can these cards be tributed while face-down with their own effects? See what I mean? I said that they could, but it was ruled it could not.

This is exactly what the arguement was about in a previous thread a little long ago, about face-down monsters.
 
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StRiKe_NiNjA said:
You may have missed the point DJ.

A monster card face-down has no attribute, no effect, no type, etc. Kaibaman and The Creator Incarnate are Ignition Effects monsters.

But how can these cards be tributed while face-down with their own effects? See what I mean? I said that they could, but it was ruled it could not.

This is exactly what the arguement was about in a previous thread a little long ago, about face-down monsters.
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K, lets get rid of those, they are Ignition Effects. :mad:

Kevin's ruling is incorrect anyway, there is an actual Official ruling on the Japanese YGO site that specifically states the opposite for The Creator Incarnate. So i'm pretty sure that will be changed soon.

The debate for me is the contradictory Meta rulings.
 
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My main reason for bring that up had nothing to do with the Kaibaman issue. I was just pointing out another effect that let you tribute a face-down and by extension your opponents face-down using Soul Exchange, hoping that it may offer some clarification as to why you can do this with Metamorphisis and not contradict the ruling Nova posted.

I personally thin the ruling is an error. Or at least should have included Soul Exchange as a possible exception.
 
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Phred said:
The only flaw in Batteryman AA is that if your opponent uses Block Attack (or Stop Defence if they're all in defence mode) on one, they all become 0/0 o_O;
still, with their own reviver (Battery Charger), getting 3 3000 monsters out is a pretty sweet deal
Might even be worth using Ultimate Offering to play all three right away?
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True. Now I don't usually say this, but who runs Block Attack and Stop Defense, anyway?

Now I think someone did mentioned Final Attack Orders.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
True. Now I don't usually say this, but who runs Block Attack and Stop Defense, anyway?
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You know, I often get thinking the same thing of such cards. Oddly enough though I page through my binders now and again and try to let go of my preconcieved ideas. What I find is that some of the old and fogotten cards often fit well into and really mess up the current meta.

One of the best examples I can give is a good old 2000 def. monster. Weather it be Giant Soldier of Stone, The Forgiving Maiden, Stone Statue of the Aztecs, or Roulette Barrel....people just aren't used to hitting that wall with their 1400-1900 atk monsters and have only one or two tribute monsters that can overcome it. Granted, there is Lightning Vortex and Smashing Ground that can deal with these but I don't see Smashing Grounds as much as I used to and Lightning Vortex is only one per deck....I'm getting off subject ....sorry.

Getting back to it, don't automatically discount some of the older cards. They can and often are great solutions to problematic areas that arrise from the latest and greatest cards or deck themes.
 
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John Danker said:
You know, I often get thinking the same thing of such cards. Oddly enough though I page through my binders now and again and try to let go of my preconcieved ideas. What I find is that some of the old and fogotten cards often fit well into and really mess up the current meta.

One of the best examples I can give is a good old 2000 def. monster. Weather it be Giant Soldier of Stone, The Forgiving Maiden, Stone Statue of the Aztecs, or Roulette Barrel....people just aren't used to hitting that wall with their 1400-1900 atk monsters and have only one or two tribute monsters that can overcome it. Granted, there is Lightning Vortex and Smashing Ground that can deal with these but I don't see Smashing Grounds as much as I used to and Lightning Vortex is only one per deck....I'm getting off subject ....sorry.

Getting back to it, don't automatically discount some of the older cards. They can and often are great solutions to problematic areas that arrise from the latest and greatest cards or deck themes.
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Well not to say that Block Attack and Stop Defense are bad cards. Personally they are two cards that i come acroos in my collection quite often an dI'm alwys reconsidering thier effects. That said my current meta is pretty fast and I tend to look at card effects as "bad topdecks" or "good topdecks".

Currently Block Attack and Stop Defense don't fall into my catgory of bad cards, just bad topdecks. :D

EDIT: I actually spelled that Bloak Attack :D
 
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Raijinili said:
Novastar: The contents of your fusion deck can be checked by you at any time.

Re The Creator Incarnate: It's an ignition. I would tell you that the ruling won't last much longer, but I'm not gonna, because I'm not allowed to say that. *nods*
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I was trying to search for some rule or verification of whether you could check or not, but i couldn't find any, thanks.

Good thing you are not telling me then... ;)
 
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Raijinili said:
Novastar: The contents of your fusion deck can be checked by you at any time.

Re The Creator Incarnate: It's an ignition. I would tell you that the ruling won't last much longer, but I'm not gonna, because I'm not allowed to say that. *nods*
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Are the contents of your Fusion Deck also knowledge that your opponent can ask to see, such as the Graveyard?
 
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