blast on gaerfried(again)

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novastar said:
Now that they consider it an actual Trigger, there is no activation window prior to DC for Gearfried's effect to actually activate in... and the plot thickens... so it's unclear how it all works...possibly no BwC at all.
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That's the thing. Gearfried the Iron Knight's effect can't activate in the first four portions of the Damage Step. So the next sub-step (which is 5) is where card effects that do not activate when a monster is sent to the Graveyard are activated and resolved now. This would include Gearfried the Iron Knights' effect. Then after it activates and resolves, Blast with Chain then activates and resolves. Then you move to the last and final sub-step in the Damage Step. Which is where monsters that are considered to be destroyed are sent to their owner's respective Graveyards.
 
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Then after it activates and resolves, Blast with Chain then activates and resolves. Then you move to the last and final sub-step in the Damage Step. Which is where monsters that are considered to be destroyed are sent to their owner's respective Graveyards.
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But i'm not sure about that...well maybe... the Resolve Effects in general could be the only place since it is definately the most open part of the Damage Step.
 
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so what happens?does Blast 2nd effect resolve in the Dmg step?

Lets say another monster is equipped with Premat. and you use Blast effect to knock it.

Does replay happen?so Cyber can attck again.
 
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im pretty sure i've asked this question before, and the answer i was given was that cyber dragon kills gearfried and then the destruction effect of BwC then kicks in.

According to that, i would atk with gearfried to kill something weaker, lets say, a sangan, then during damage step activate BwC and destroy their face down monster, then as the resolution, the monster would be destryoed. They cant decree or anyhting.

I always though gearfried was a continous effect? shouldnt the destruction effect of an equip card be continuous?
it should kick in immediately right? then the destruction of monster would be in SS 5.

maybe im wrong? please clarify
 
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"Blast with Chain" can be activated during Damage Step and will equip to "Gearfried the Iron Knight". "Gearfried" does have a trigger effect that will destroy "Blast with Chain" but NOT until AFTER damage calculation is done. Reference the ruling of "Rush Recklessly" vs. "Spirit Reaper".

So in the original scenario, "Cyber Dragon" will be destroyed by Damage Calculation as "Gearfried's" ATK will be 2300. "Gearfried's" effect will destroy "Blast with Chain" after Damage Calculation. "Blast with Chain" will now get its effect in the Resolve Effects substep of Damage Step.

Now beware! If "Gearfried" is the only remaining card on the Field, BwC will have to destroy "Gearfried".

doc
 
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I find that odd. It has to be a trigger effect. How else would this ruling work?

When "Butterfly Dagger - Elma" is destroyed by "Gearfried the Iron Knight"'s effect, you can chain to this effect with "Really Eternal Rest" and destroy "Gearfried the Iron Knight", and "Butterfly Dagger - Elma" will be destroyed because "Gearfried the Iron Knight" was destroyed, so "Butterfly Dagger - Elma" cannot return to the owner's hand.

Chain Link 1: Activate Butterfly Dagger - Elma, targetting Gearfried the Iron Knight
Both Pass
Resolve Link 1:Equip Butterfly Dagger - Elma to Gearfried the Iron Knight
-Gearfried's continuous effect activates, destroying Elma

When could you activate Really Eternal Rest?
 
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skey23 said:
According to 'the powers that be', "Gearfried the Iron Knight" is a Continuous Effect. It is NOT a Trigger Effect.
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Where did you get the ruling that "Gearfried's" effect is a continuous effect?

Continuous effects cannot be chained. According to the ruling of "Butterfly Dagger - Elma" vs. "Gearfried", "Really Eternal Rest" can be chained to "Gearfried's" destruction effect. That means the effect goes on chain, which means it canNOT be continuous.

doc

P.S. Sorry, didn't read the last post. Entropy beat me to it.
 
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ygo doc said:
Where did you get the ruling that "Gearfried's" effect is a continuous effect?

Continuous effects cannot be chained. According to the ruling of "Butterfly Dagger - Elma" vs. "Gearfried", "Really Eternal Rest" can be chained to "Gearfried's" destruction effect. That means the effect goes on chain, which means it canNOT be continuous.

doc

P.S. Sorry, didn't read the last post. Entropy beat me to it.
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You're not activating anything to Gearfied's effect. It's the response to Blast with Chain being destroyed by Really Eternal Rest.
 
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ygo doc said:
"Blast with Chain" can be activated during Damage Step and will equip to "Gearfried the Iron Knight". "Gearfried" does have a trigger effect that will destroy "Blast with Chain" but NOT until AFTER damage calculation is done. Reference the ruling of "Rush Recklessly" vs. "Spirit Reaper".

So in the original scenario, "Cyber Dragon" will be destroyed by Damage Calculation as "Gearfried's" ATK will be 2300. "Gearfried's" effect will destroy "Blast with Chain" after Damage Calculation. "Blast with Chain" will now get its effect in the Resolve Effects substep of Damage Step.

Now beware! If "Gearfried" is the only remaining card on the Field, BwC will have to destroy "Gearfried".

doc
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so does this ruling still hold valid if it is a trigger?
gettin kinda confused.
 
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There is a lot of MISinformation in this thread, so sorry for the confusion.

First, "Gearfried the Iron Knight's" effect is a trigger effect, much like "King Tiger Wanghu" or "Lava Golem". Reference this message thread to confirm GtIK's effect type: http://www.pojo.biz/board//threads/278104.

Second, even though I referenced "Spirit Reaper" which has a continuous effect and "Gearfried's" is a trigger effect, these monster effects will not interrupt the Calculate Damage portion of Damage step. Damage is calculated and applied and then their effects are applied in the Resolve Effects substep of Damage Step.

doc
 
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ygo doc said:
There is a lot of MISinformation in this thread, so sorry for the confusion.

First, "Gearfried the Iron Knight's" effect is a trigger effect, much like "King Tiger Wanghu" or "Lava Golem". Reference this message thread to confirm GtIK's effect type: http://www.pojo.biz/board//threads/278104.

Second, even though I referenced "Spirit Reaper" which has a continuous effect and "Gearfried's" is a trigger effect, these monster effects will not interrupt the Calculate Damage portion of Damage step. Damage is calculated and applied and then their effects are applied in the Resolve Effects substep of Damage Step.

doc
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Gearfried's effect is NOT a Trigger Effect. Especially when this has already been addressed by Ian Estrin, who is the Judge Manager for UDE.

I also didnt realize that Pojo was now an alternative for Judge Rulings.
 
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Gearfried was listed as a Continuous Effect on the old Netrepâ„¢ Files as well. I never heard any information revoking that. It's pretty much been one of those things I've heard consistently since then by most judges since that time. They errated Gearfrieds text to make him sound like Trigger for a time, but never revoked the old ruling publicly. I'm inclined to believe that that it hasn't changed.
 
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mikoal said:
im pretty sure i've asked this question before, and the answer i was given was that cyber dragon kills gearfried and then the destruction effect of BwC then kicks in.

According to that, i would atk with gearfried to kill something weaker, lets say, a sangan, then during damage step activate BwC and destroy their face down monster, then as the resolution, the monster would be destryoed. They cant decree or anyhting.
please clarify
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ok lets say it is a Countious effect,
does this make this a valid ruling?
 
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As both woo0 and myself have already stated. "Gearfried the Iron Knight" is currently being ruled as a Continuous Effect. It is not a Trigger Effect. I too brought up the "Butterfly Dagger - Elma" ruling, but was quickly 'overruled' so to speak.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
Gearfried's effect is NOT a Trigger Effect. Especially when this has already been addressed by Ian Estrin, who is the Judge Manager for UDE.

I also didnt realize that Pojo was now an alternative for Judge Rulings.
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Well, I'd have to agree. Pojo's is certainly not a rulings site, nor is this site, and neither are the rulings from the old judge site or Netrep.

"King Tiger Wanghu's" effect was also listed as continuous on the old NetRep site. I certainly hope NONE of you believe that the Tiger's effect is still continuous; it is not! The NetRep site and files were a great source of information during their time; however, they are now out of date. "Lava Golem's" effect is not continuous either. If you don't believe me, read the rulings on "Barrel Behind the Door".

Ian Estrin is the Judge Manager for UDE; however, he is not the Head of Rules for Yu-Gi-Oh! I believe Kevin Tewart holds that responsibility. If you have a recent official PUBLISHED source for your information, please post it or the link. I and others have already pointed to current rulings that specifically state that you can chain to "Gearfried's" destruction effect. That can only happen if his effect goes on chain. Continuous effects never go on chain.

doc
 
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