Blockman, etc RULE changes

[Tiso]

http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=9336

A lot of other ruling suggestions they want to give to Konami like Thunder Dragon for example.

http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=9337

This talks about the headace of Level Modulation wanting to be changed and the fact that it seems JERP was right about Elemental Hero Rampart Blaster, she friggin SUCKS and Japan is just too ARGH to give an explaination as to why your opponent must not have any monsters out for it to Direct Attack.

 

[skey23]

Well, if you go by the 'current' card text for both "Swords of Revealing Light" and "Threatening Roar", you'll notice a difference once again. "Swords of Revealing Light" affects the monsters' ability to attack. "Threatening Roar" affects the players' ability to declare the attack, not the monster.

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

Well, if you go by the 'current' card text for both "Swords of Revealing Light" and "Threatening Roar", you'll notice a difference once again. "Swords of Revealing Light" affects the monsters' ability to attack. "Threatening Roar" affects the players' ability to declare the attack, not the monster.

This is on the FAQ:

(FAQ = official)

• If a monster is unaffected by Spell Cards, that extends to any attacks the monster makes. A monster unaffected by Spell Cards can attack while "Swords of Revealing Light" is active, and its controller will not have to pay for "Toll" or "Gravekeeper's Servant" in order to attack with it. It can also ignore the effects of "The Dark Door" or "Vengeful Bog Spirit".
  

The "Spell" part is identifying, and makes the sentence more fluent. There's no reason to assume that "Spell" means anything different than "Trap."

Toll, Gravekeeper's Servant, The Dark Door all refer to players attacking. (Vengeful Bog Spirit is different)

Threatening Roar's text is consistent with those cards.

Remember, don't make appeals to omission, just because Threatening Roar wasn't on the list, doesn't mean that it's text is 100% accurate, afterall there were those other 3 cards that weren't mentioned.

 

[SS64]

http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=9337

This talks about the headace of Level Modulation wanting to be changed and the fact that it seems JERP was right about Elemental Hero Rampart Blaster, she friggin SUCKS and Japan is just too ARGH to give an explaination as to why your opponent must not have any monsters out for it to Direct Attack.

So Your opp. has to have no monster to for to attck directly?
this makes no sense at all, wat about cards like Raging Flame Sprite, so on.
They both have basically the same card text (cept Ram has to be in Defnse).This serverly screwed an already bad card to begin with.

 

[Tiso]

So Your opp. has to have no monster to for to attck directly?
this makes no sense at all, wat about cards like Raging Flame Sprite, so on.
They both have basically the same card text (cept Ram has to be in Defnse).This serverly screwed an already bad card to begin with.

Say it with me:

KONAMI SAID SO (because they suck)

Lucky for the TCG, UDE just said "Screw you Konami, that makes no sense even in Japan when the card does not even say it in the OCG. Until you do something about it our FAQ is not changing. Play the card the way it says TCG players."

 

[masterwoo0]

Say it with me:

KONAMI SAID SO (because they suck)

Lucky for the TCG, UDE just said "Screw you Konami, that makes no sense even in Japan when the card does not even say it in the OCG. Until you do something about it our FAQ is not changing. Play the card the way it says TCG players."

Which in some cases, only makes perfect sense when you get a ruling that totally makes the card do the exact opposite of what it actually says.

Maybe there's hope for michizure yet....

 

[Chillout1984]

Which in some cases, only makes perfect sense when you get a ruling that totally makes the card do the exact opposite of what it actually says.

Maybe there's hope for michizure yet....

Yep... I know that it's wrong to compare TCG rulings with the video game, but up to now all card effects except for Michizure are going by the OCG rules, because in WCT2006 you also can't attack with Rampart Blaster directly when your opponent has monsters on the field. In the videogame you can activate Michizure in the damage step, maybe that's going to be the new ruling in the OCG in the near future? Don't know...

 

[Tiso]

Then the OCG would have been used it. Just like the OCG would have been using Rope of Soul, but in WC2006 can only be activated outside of Battle when they are destroyed. That game is just confusing. Personally I want Michizure to work in the Damage Step. I would still use it now against the Sakuretsu Armors, but this is just retarded when it says when the monster is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard.

 

[Cropz]

now that Tiso mentioned it, I double-checked the rulings on 'Michizure' and it seens JERP changed it to match 'Chthonian Blast' (as follows):

"¢ This card can be activated during the Damage Step if a monster is destroyed as a result of battle. However, it cannot be activated if a monster is destroyed by an effect during the Damage Step.

 

[Tiso]

MOTHER FRIGGIN TOLD YOU. Word to BIG BIRD. Michizure goes into thy Deck. Oh but wait, then that most mean Hydrogeddon is probably going to work for Tokens as well and Rope of Soul is really crappy. Sigh.

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

now that Tiso mentioned it, I double-checked the rulings on 'Michizure' and it seens JERP changed it to match 'Chthonian Blast' (as follows):

"¢ This card can be activated during the Damage Step if a monster is destroyed as a result of battle. However, it cannot be activated if a monster is destroyed by an effect during the Damage Step.

Dont go to the JERP when www.yugioh-card.com will do.

http://yugioh.faq.konami.jp/EokpControl?lang=en&site=default&event=ZE0002&tid=24993


- It is the effect which takes the object. - By your " in the sense, " " your own possession ". In other words it is the owner of the original 々. - Sending the monster of the partner whom by your have controlled in the graveyard of the partner, " the road it accompanies and " it is not possible to move. - When you are sent your own monster which the partner has controlled to your own graveyard, " the road it accompanies " and it is possible to move. - When being sent to the graveyard in battle phase by battle, it is motion possible.

http://yugioh.faq.konami.jp/EokpControl?lang=en&site=default&event=ZE0002&tid=15401

The monster which is destroyed by battle is sent of damage step to the graveyard lastly, it is possible at that time, but " the road to accompany ", to move. But, the monster is destroyed by the effect which is moved in damage step and the case where it is sent to the graveyard, " the road accompanies and " it is not possible to move.

 

[novastar]

Unfortunately, while the JPN FAQ is official itself, it is not official here.

They have switched Michizure a couple of times, hopefully they keep it the way it is now.

...of course, it doesn't seem right that you can Michizure during that timing, but not Torrential Tribute when a monster is Special Summoned via. Mystic Tomato and the like.

It's inconsistant.

 

[Cropz]

Dont go to the JERP when www.yugioh-card.com will do.

http://yugioh.faq.konami.jp/EokpControl?lang=en&site=default&event=ZE0002&tid=24993


- It is the effect which takes the object. - By your " in the sense, " " your own possession ". In other words it is the owner of the original 々. - Sending the monster of the partner whom by your have controlled in the graveyard of the partner, " the road it accompanies and " it is not possible to move. - When you are sent your own monster which the partner has controlled to your own graveyard, " the road it accompanies " and it is possible to move. - When being sent to the graveyard in battle phase by battle, it is motion possible.

http://yugioh.faq.konami.jp/EokpControl?lang=en&site=default&event=ZE0002&tid=15401

The monster which is destroyed by battle is sent of damage step to the graveyard lastly, it is possible at that time, but " the road to accompany ", to move. But, the monster is destroyed by the effect which is moved in damage step and the case where it is sent to the graveyard, " the road accompanies and " it is not possible to move.

just used to it.

Unfortunately, while the JPN FAQ is official itself, it is not official here.

They have switched Michizure a couple of times, hopefully they keep it the way it is now.

...of course, it doesn't seem right that you can Michizure during that timing, but not Torrential Tribute when a monster is Special Summoned via. Mystic Tomato and the like.

It's inconsistant.

it's consistent with 'Chthonian Blast', which has the same wording.

 

[Tiso]

It is consistent. The act of destroying a monster and sending it to the Graveyard has no restriction on how it is destroyed and sent (unless it actually says it like Hero Signal for example). Michizure should have worked in the Damage Step before. What I find crazy and inconsistent is when and where you can use Solemn Judgment. Like my opponent cannot use it against my Hydrogeddon being summoned by another Hydrogeddon. I trust JERP more than I trust the JPN FAQ.

 

[novastar]

it's consistent with 'Chthonian Blast', which has the same wording.

True but it opens the door for questioning.

 

[Digital Jedi]

Chthonian Blast says "destroyed and sent to the Graveyard" and Michizure says "from the field to your Graveyard". Neither of these fall into a category that would allow them to be activated in the Damage Step. Chthonian Blast (and Michizure if changed) would fall under the exception, not the rule. They do not have text that would make them workable in the Damage Step.

 

[drzero7]

Nice "changes" but theses are just "suggestions" so far. Until we see it as offical changes, it doesn't matter for now.

So for now, blockman counts all turns, your turn, my turn, the turn it was summoned.

Along with some other confusions. Yeah, Lv Mod should just be like the anime, cause alot of people get confuse about the ruling ANYWAY.

 

[masterwoo0]

Nice "changes" but theses are just "suggestions" so far. Until we see it as offical changes, it doesn't matter for now.

So for now, blockman counts all turns, your turn, my turn, the turn it was summoned.

Along with some other confusions. Yeah, Lv Mod should just be like the anime, cause alot of people get confuse about the ruling ANYWAY.

There is no ruling that says it counts both turns "for now". Where are you getting that? What you are saying is more of a suggestion than the Ruling we got from the Judges List.

For now, Skill Drain cannot negate Exiled Force's "Graveyard Effect" and that is in a actual Ruling, even though it's wrong.

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

Unfortunately, while the JPN FAQ is official itself, it is not official here.

They have switched Michizure a couple of times, hopefully they keep it the way it is now.

...of course, it doesn't seem right that you can Michizure during that timing, but not Torrential Tribute when a monster is Special Summoned via. Mystic Tomato and the like.

Make an assumtpion that you CAN activate torrential tribute in the damge step.

No other spell or traps on the field.
Player A attacks with Gemini Elf against Player B's Giant Rat.

Giant Rat is destroyed and sent to the graveyard, activating its effect.

Resolves and summons Injection Fairy Lily.

Can you activate Torrential Tribute now?

No, you can't. You may not manually start a second chain in a sub-step of the damage step.

So the only situation you could activate Torrential Tribute in the damage step is when there would be a trigger effect starting a chain automatically afterwards (including optional trigger effects)

Although logically possible to have a card given permission only for rare circumstances, perhaps those in power thinking "why bother"

(Note: I would believe that under the OCG rules you ought to be able to chain Michizure to [e.g]Sangan's effect if it were destroyed by MAn-eater bug.)