Book of Moon and Torrential Tribute

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Dr Sin

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The guys in my area are confusing me with this:

I have 2 monsters in the field (Kycoo and Breaker, for example), then I summon a Don Zaloog. My opoonent activates Torrential Tribute... I chain Book of Moon to put my Zaloog in face-down.
Then, is Torrential Tribute negated, because the monster is considered a set or the effect resolves as normal?
I believe it doesn't negate because a summon was performed anyway but they say that this case is same thing as Bottomless Trap Hole and Trap Hole with Book. (in this case the monster is not destroyed).

Please, someone clear it.

Thanks in advance
 
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Dr Sin said:
The guys in my area are confusing me with this:

I have 2 monsters in the field (Kycoo and Breaker, for example), then I summon a Don Zaloog. My opoonent activates Torrential Tribute... I chain Book of Moon to put my Zaloog in face-down.
Then, is Torrential Tribute negated, because the monster is considered a set or the effect resolves as normal?
I believe it doesn't negate because a summon was performed anyway but they say that this case is same thing as Bottomless Trap Hole and Trap Hole with Book. (in this case the monster is not destroyed).

Please, someone clear it.

Thanks in advance
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Jathro is right.

About that it's the same with Bottomless Trap Hole it isn't the big differents here is that Bottomlose Trap Hole destroys the monster(s) and Torrential Tribute destroys all monsters.
 
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Your friends are not thinking about the differences in effects of Torrential Tribute and the effects of Trap Hole and Bottomless Trap Hole.

Torrential only needs a monster to be summoned to destroy everything. Since Torrential doesn't care whether a monster isn't face-down or not, Book of Moon is going to save anything.

Bottomless Trap Hole and Trap Hole also only need a monster to be summoned. However these two cards look for monsters with an ATK of 1500- and 1000- respectively. If Book of Moon is chained to one of these and the summoned monster is flipped face-down then they have no ATK to refer to so the monster is saved from thier effects.
 
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Actually with "Bottomless Trap Hole" it's not the same deal. Anywho, I'll explain the answers above me - Since "Don Zaloog" or any other monster was summoned, and "Torrential Tribute" requires a monster to be summoned so it's effect could be activated, it goes like this:

- Monster is summoned
- "Torrential Tribute" is chained
- "Book of Moon" is chained to flip the face-up Monster to face-down Defense Position.
- "Torrential Tribute" resolves - All the Monsters on the field are destroyed.
Hope that helped.
 
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DarkFlare said:
Actually with "Bottomless Trap Hole" it's not the same deal. Anywho, I'll explain the answers above me - Since "Don Zaloog" or any other monster was summoned, and "Torrential Tribute" requires a monster to be summoned so it's effect could be activated, it goes like this:

- Monster is summoned
- "Torrential Tribute" is chained
- "Book of Moon" is chained to flip the face-up Monster to face-down Defense Position.
- "Torrential Tribute" resolves - All the Monsters on the field are destroyed.
Hope that helped.
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Torrential Tribute is NOT chained is activated in a response to the summons.
 
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Yeah, Torrential Tribute can only be chained to an effect. If the summoned monste had an effect that could or would be trigered when summoned then Torrential Tribute can be chained to that since a summon was the last thing to resolve. If the monster didn't have an effect like tha (like Zaloog) or if the Turn PLayer passes on using it then Torrential would be activated in responce to the summon alone.
 
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Thanks!

As I said and as I thought a summon was performed anyway and BTH and TH have completely different rules compared to Torrential... Thanks for this official answers, as always happens the guys here don't believe and accept logical arguments. I have to prove I'm right all the time.

Thanks again!!!!
 
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