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ok player a has face down ceasfire, zero gravity and book of moon and face up gemini elf.

if he/she attacks with gemini then book of moon in the battle phase, then ceasfire then zero gravity can it attack again.
 
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in battle, if my opp got a mine monster equipped with snatch steal, he decides to attack and i chain with book of moon.... what's happen?

the monster return to me?
 
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The monster is flipped face down and Snatch Steal is destroyed because it no longer has anything to be equipped to but the monster remains under the control of your opponent.
 
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Ronin did bring up an interesting point... But even though effects are reset when a monster is flipped face-down, how would that apply to a monster that has already conducted a Battle Phase?

I could see if Gemini was removed from the field and returned, but all Book did was flip it face-down and Ceasefire flipped it back face-up, Zero changed it to attack, but it never left the field of play, so technically, it is the same monster that already attacked once before.
 
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densetsu_x said:
But take "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning". Say you use his effect to remove a monster from play. You can use "Book of Moon" to flip him face down and then "Ceasefire" to flip him back up and then use his effect again even though "it's the same monster" who already used his "once per turn" effect once this turn already. Or if you use "Zero Gravity" in this case, he can attack despite having already used his effect.
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I was thinking along those lines also, but his effect to remove a monster happens in Main Phase 1 or 2. If you were to use it in MP1, flip it face-down with Book of Moon and use Ceasefire/Zero Gravity, it would be as if he never used his effect of removal since it would be reset.

Plus the fact that he is now able to remove a monster again if you so choose, also means that he is free to attack (in the Battle Phase) as well, if you do not ues his effect to remove another monster.
 
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densetsu_x said:
But take "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning". Say you use his effect to remove a monster from play. You can use "Book of Moon" to flip him face down and then "Ceasefire" to flip him back up and then use his effect again even though "it's the same monster" who already used his "once per turn" effect once this turn already. Or if you use "Zero Gravity" in this case, he can attack despite having already used his effect.
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What happens is that any monster that is booked f/d and then Ceasedfired will regain any ignition or continuos effects however the fact that zero gravity places it once again in attack doesn't mean it can attack again, it already had a battle phase, it simply missed it, so no Gemini Elf cannot attack again, because that monster was already involved in a battle phase, if it where Mp1 or MP2 it could be possible to declare attacks, since it doesn't have entered a battle phase yet.
 
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to get the effect of a double attack I would use my Patton pending combo of IMT and RFDD in the battle phase or in a beast deck use beast soul swap. people knoc that card so much till it hits them.
 
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densetsu_x said:
But take "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning". Say you use his effect to remove a monster from play. You can use "Book of Moon" to flip him face down and then "Ceasefire" to flip him back up and then use his effect again even though "it's the same monster" who already used his "once per turn" effect once this turn already. Or if you use "Zero Gravity" in this case, he can attack despite having already used his effect.
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Declaring an attack ties into mode-changing. And we all know you can't change mode more than once.
 
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I would assume that yes, Gemini Elf can attack again, it is like saying "I remember I was here before, but reading about the moon has confused me, and all I know now is that I haven´t break any rules by trying to attack"
So the Gemini Elf attacks again
 
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Lustermaster said:
I would assume that yes, Gemini Elf can attack again, it is like saying "I remember I was here before, but reading about the moon has confused me, and all I know now is that I haven´t break any rules by trying to attack"
So the Gemini Elf attacks again
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No it can't attack again.

Ech monster is given one attack per turn (let's call this a Coupon)... to declare an attack is to pay the cost... to relinquish the coupon. The only way the coupon can be returned is for a replay to occur.

Switching to defense position does not create a replay.
 
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I must say that Book of Moon resets conditions and not GAME RULES! a CARD can only attack once unless it has an effect that states otherwise (or has an equip). If Book of Moon could reset this, then you could do infinite flip summons to a magician of faith by activating book of moon, recovering it and activating it again! This is not possible at all! :D
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
No it can't attack again.

Ech monster is given one attack per turn (let's call this a Coupon)... to declare an attack is to pay the cost... to relinquish the coupon. The only way the coupon can be returned is for a replay to occur.

Switching to defense position does not create a replay.
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True, switching it to FACE-UP defense position does not create a coupon...
But it is switched to FACE-DOWN defense position. I think Gemini Elf would be able to attack again. (Of course I am not sure)
 
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I said it before and I'll stick to my guns: Unless equipped with a card, such as Twin Swords, or if the monster can attack twice, i.e. Mataza, then the monster only gets one attack, so Gemini Elf would have used its attack and not get to attack again. As to the BLS effect, I disagree that it would be reset. Its the same thing as the attack. BLS can only remove one monster per turn, even if flipped face down, then flipped face up by card effects. The only combo that will work is getting a flip effect monster to have their effect fire twice would be flip it, Book of Moon on it, then Book of Taiyou.
 
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If my opponent declares an attack, and I use Book of Moon on his monster, that stops the attack and no replay occurs - straight from the rulings page.

So how is it that if I'm the one doing the attacking and I use Book of Moon on my own monster, then change it back to attack mode somehow, it gets another attack? Dimensional Warrior is right - Book of Moon (and for that matter any card that changes a monsters battle position) resets conditions and effects, but not game mechanics and rules.

If a monster has declared it's attack, it is not able to attack again in that turn. Except for special circumstances like Twin Swords of Flashing Light - Tryce, or a replay has occurred. Or if the monster is Hayabusa Knight of course ;) .
 
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you guys are right a monster can only attack 1 time per turn.

BUT when its flipped face down you no longer know if the monster is on the field, it has no attribute, no type, nothing. its completly blank, though you and i know that its Gemini Elf.

now what happens is, it attacked, your still in the battle phase, you leave till you want.

you know Book of Moon it. BOOM its no longer a monster, its just a monster wannabe face down on the field. for all we know its a Cyber Jar.

now we play cease fire. it flips up. oh its in defense oviously it cant attack but if its in attack mode it normally would.

so you play Zero Gravity now its in attack hence elligible for an attack.

Why is it that new monsters after Cyber Jar can attack, if the case was that, that specific monster zone couldnt attack then the few zones that attacked that had monsters wouldnt be able to, but that isnt the case. they can and mostlikly half the time usually do.

as d_X stated and the rest, Yes it would be able to attack since its like a new monster on the field.

Book of Moon resets the conditions of that monster had attacked 1 time before.

its like when you attack with a monster, you then in battle phase ring it
and then Call of the Haunted it back. since the monster was no longer there it can attack again.
 
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