Bunch of questions basically about chains links of Chain Strike Burn deck.

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drzero7

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Mainly, when stuff like Royal Decree or Des Wombat is mixed in. Both Decree and Wombat don't stop the activating of s/t that have burn effects. Decree just negates the trap effect, and Des Wombat just negate the burn effect. (Well, the burn effect is 0)

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Couple examples.

Player 1 have 5 s/t set. Player 2 have 1 s/t set (and 1 monster on the field.

Player 2 summons Mobius and destroys 2 s/t. (Chain 1)
Player 1 chains Just Desserts (Chain 2) player 2 have no response
Player 1 Chains Secret Barrel (Chain 3) no response
Player 1 Chains Accumulated Fortune (Chain 4)
Player 2 Chains Royal Decree (Chain 5)
Player 1 Chains MST/Dust Tornado (Chain 6) no response
Player 1 chains Chain Strike (Chain 7)



Now Chain Strike will do 2800LP burn, that's obvious. And since MST/Dust will destroy a chained Royal Decree, Barrel/Desserts/Fortune will resolve, doing it's burn effect and drawing 2 cards right? (Say the similar situation with CotH with Jinzo being targetted in the graveyard)

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Another example

Player 2 summons Des Wombat.
Player 2 enters battle phase and declares an attack.
Player 1 activate Dimension Wall



Since Dimension Wall is battle damage (Being sent to the opponent) Des Wombat can't negate it right?

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Again, player 1 have 5 S/T set.

Player 2 summons Des Wombat.
Player 2 enters battle phase and declares an attack.
Player 1 activate Poison of the Old Man (Chain 1) no response
Player 1 activate Just Desserts (Chain 2) no response
Player 1 activate Secret Barrel (Chain 3) no response
Player 1 activate Chain Strike (Chain 4) no response
Player 1 activate Offerings to the Doomed/Ring of Destruction targetting Des Wombat. (Chain 5)

Now, resolving backwards. Offerings to the Doomed/Ring of Destruction resolves first, destroying and sending Des Wombat to the graveyard. Will this means the rest of the burn effect will resolve with the burn effect doing damage to the opponent right? Well, it doesn't have to be Offerings to the Doomed/Ring. It can even be Book of Moon being the last effect being chained off.

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EDIT: Another scenerio

Player 1 have 5 s/t set and 1 face-down monster. Player 2 have a Royal Decree activated face-up on the field.

Player 2 summons MSLV2 and attacks the face-down monster.
Face-down Mecha-Dog Marron is destroyed.
Mecha-Dog Marron effect of 1000LP burn is activated in the graveyard (Chain 1)
Player 1 activates Secret Barrel (Chain 2) Player 2 have no response.
Player 1 Chains Just Desserts (Chain 3) no response
Player 1 Chains Accumulated Fortune (Chain 4) no response
Player 1 chains Reckless Greed (Chain 5) no response
Player 1 chains MST targetting Royal Decree (Chain 6) no response

Again, resolving backward, MST destroys Royal Decree first and thus the rest of the traps effect does go through without being negated right? (Of course Mecha-Dog Marron is garenteed)

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I can't think of any chain scenerio when Jinzo is tribute summoned from hand. Cause once they do that, no traps can be activated so no chain links of any traps. (You can do something like Poison > Chain Strike > Book of Moon/Offerings to the Doomed. But that's about it. No linking any traps in between.)
 
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drzero7 said:
Mainly, when stuff like Royal Decree or Des Wombat is mixed in. Both Decree and Wombat don't stop the activating of s/t that have burn effects. Decree just negates the trap effect, and Des Wombat just negate the burn effect. (Well, the burn effect is 0)
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Correct.

There may be an oopsie or two in the senarios (like that Mobius doesn't "Destroy" when it is activated, but "Targets"), but the principle is valid. And the conclusions of each senario is valid.

With Calling Jinzo, I assume that you mean in replacement of the place in the chain that would normally be Royal Decree? Yes, the same effect, MST would destroy Call before it resolve so no Jizo makes it to the field,
 
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drzero7 said:
EDIT: Another scenerio

Player 1 have 5 s/t set and 1 face-down monster. Player 2 have a Royal Decree activated face-up on the field.

Player 2 summons MSLV2 and attacks the face-down monster.
Face-down Mecha-Dog Marron is destroyed.
Mecha-Dog Marron effect of 1000LP burn is activated in the graveyard (Chain 1)
Player 1 activates Secret Barrel (Chain 2) Player 2 have no response.
Player 1 Chains Just Desserts (Chain 3) no response
Player 1 Chains Accumulated Fortune (Chain 4) no response
Player 1 chains Reckless Greed (Chain 5) no response
Player 1 chains MST targetting Royal Decree (Chain 6) no response

Again, resolving backward, MST destroys Royal Decree first and thus the rest of the traps effect does go through without being negated right? (Of course Mecha-Dog Marron is garenteed)
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In this case, the effect of MD Marron would activate and resolve during the damage step, so none of the 5 S/T cards could be chained to that effect.

But your example was correct if MD Marron would be destroyed by, say, the effect of Exiled Force.
 
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Ah! That's right. Yeah, it'll be a damage step effect if Mecha-Marron hits the graveyard when attacked by a monster.

With Exiled, I think you can "chain" to Exiled effect of tributing itself and then targetting a monster to destroy (not destroyed yet of course)

IMO, there's all kinds of effects that can "start" a chain. Like say I used Lava Golem and gave it to my opponent. During the stand-by phase, when Lava Golem does 1000LP, that can start a "chain". Another chain can start when Treeborn Frog targets itself from the graveyard to special summon itself. Another one can be when my foe flips MoF to get Heavy Storm back from their graveyard. (Chain to MoF effect, not to the flip summon. You can't "chain" to a summon if I'm correct, although you can "start a chain" by activating an effect "to" the summon.)
 
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Actually no, you cannot "chain" to a Flip Summon since that in of itself doesn't have a speed (like any other summon). You are in fact chaining to the activation of the Flip effect.
 
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yeah, that's what I mean. I can chain to the flip summon's FLIP: effect. (not just MoF, but stuff like Deko or Old Vinct, etc.) If the flip summon have no flip effect, I cannot chain to that.

BTW, continuous effect cannot start a chain right?
 
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