Call of the Haunted vs. Jinzo/Royal Decree (Not what you're thinking)

[densetsu_x]

This question has evolved out of a similar scenario and has prompted some really nasty debates and some far out answers (including one supposedly "official" one that I cannot agree with just because it is so "out there" (yeah I know, I'm debating a BKSS sort of answer but I just cannot see it being right).

Anyway, since our debates and discussions here tend to be spirited, but respectful, I'm going to turn this over to you folk and get your feedback before I jump in with the answers I received.

I activate Call of the Haunted to Special Summon Summoned Skull to the field. I then tribute my Spirit Reaper to summon Jinzo to the field. I finish up my turn. My opponent now summons Exiled Force and tributes it to destroy Jinzo. After that has completed, he activates Mystical Space Typhoon to destroy my Call of the Haunted. What happens to Summoned Skull?

Similar example except say after I use Call of the Haunted to bring back Summoned Skull, my opponent tries to activate Bottomless Trap Hole. I in turn chain Royal Decree. I finish my turn. On my opponent's turn, he summons Breaker the Magical Warrior, gets the counter, and removes it to destroy Royal Decree. He again activates Mystical Space Typhoon to destroy Call of the Haunted. Again, what happens to Summoned Skull? (The answers should be the same).

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

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If "Jinzo" which is equipped with "Call of the Haunted" and "Jinzo" is destroyed by a "Raigeki," does "Call of the Haunted" go the Graveyard because the monster was destroyed and also because "Jinzo" effect not activated anymore?
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Yes, it would go to the graveyard. Just because it is sitting there meaninglessly because of "Jinzo" does not mean that it isn't still attached to "Jinzo"
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[slither]

Thanks DaGuy, I was sure there was a ruling about it.

 

[Maruno]

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If "Jinzo" which is equipped with "Call of the Haunted" and "Jinzo" is destroyed by a "Raigeki," does "Call of the Haunted" go the Graveyard because the monster was destroyed and also because "Jinzo" effect not activated anymore?
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Yes, it would go to the graveyard. Just because it is sitting there meaninglessly because of "Jinzo" does not mean that it isn't still attached to "Jinzo."
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Well, I'm sure we all know that's wrong.

 

[masterwoo0]

Well, I'm sure we all know that's wrong.

Its funny how they said "Equipped" in those days.....

It just goes to show that people are prone to make wording errors on occasion, and we "should" know what they mean, rather than what they "say".

 

[CPMillerWV]

It can't negate what isnt there. When Call of the Haunted is destroyed, it destroys the selected monster. That effect isnt "active" until Call is removed or destroyed. Only the portion that maintains the state of the monster and the Trap Card is active.

Like I said, if they can say that it re-targets, then it should reconnect with RFG'd monsters returned to the field since the monster was not destroyed, as well as monsters flipped face-down.

Well, CotH and pre-B does target as per ruling:

[Re: Spirit Reaper] If "Spirit Reaper" is Special Summoned with "Premature Burial" or "Call of the Haunted", "Spirit Reaper" is destroyed after it is Special Summoned because it is targeted by an effect.

So, it is concidered targeting ALL the time or SR would survive until they were destroyed.

The "severing" of the connection when flipped face down is VERY different. When re-flipped, it (as far as CotHis concerned) it could be a different card! How would it know if it was the same card since if "dissapeared". As with Jinzo or Royal Decree, the target is still there, the "effect" is negated. CotH does not "forget" it's target since it has been there all the time; however, the effect is negated as long as Jinzo/RD are face up on the field.

The "effect" being negated dosn't erace the targeting part, just it has no effect.

How about this explanation? :huh

 

[Raijinili]

Well, I'm sure we all know that's wrong.

I don't think that's wrong.

 

[Maruno]

I don't think that's wrong.

And you're entitled to.

When Jinzo is destroyed, and Call of the Haunted's effect that goes "destroy me when target monster leaves field" should trigger, it is still being negated by Jinzo's effect. It's a bit of a hazy area, certainly, since Jinzo's effect ends exactly when Call of the Haunted's effect triggers, but it ends up that Call of the Haunted's effect doesn't trigger.

That's how I see it.

 

[Raijinili]

But you have no rulings to back that logic up.

I, however, have Banisher of Light VS Dark Hole.

 

[Entropy]

"¢ If "The Unhappy Girl" applies her effect to a monster, and "Skill Drain" is then activated and resolves, and "Skill Drain" is then destroyed afterwards, then "The Unhappy Girl"'s effect is re-applied and the monster that battled with her before "Skill Drain" was activated cannot attack or change battle position once again.

So, Call is still attached?

 

[Ijmitchell]

I think the problem here is people are treating the "link" as some sort of continuous effect. Anywhere in Yugioh, cards remember one another (or themselves) as long as one of the cards haven't been removed from the field or flipped face-down. Same thing here. It isn't an effect or something that is even really there, its just a mechanic of Yugioh, and NOT a mechanic of Call of the Haunted or any other similar cards.

Edit: No Idea why I was in this topic, sorry if bumping old topics is against the rules or something.