Calls / Prematures destroying-effect targeting?

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Hi guys.
Well i know that the first effect of call and premature is targeting for sure. But yesterday in a tournament the question came up if the second effect is targeting too. I´m not sure cause the second effect has only one legal and not chooseable target. (like a ddwl)
For example:
Player A plays Mystacal Space Typhoon on a face-down Call of the Haunted of Player B. Player B so chains his Call of the Haunted to reborn an Different Dimension Dragon. So will the Dragon survive the destruction of call??
greetz & thx for reply
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I'd say no, it won't survive, since these cards attach themselves to the summoned monster and so are in essence equipped to it, equipped cards target the monster to which they're attached so their destruction effect (Call of the Haunted, Premature Burial, Big Bang Shot, etc...) should destroy Different Dimension Dragon.
 
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D.D. Dragon would be destroyed. Call of the Haunted is usually used in that situation with Sangan or Witch to search for a monster once its sent to the Graveyard.

Premature Burial would be the same situation if it was destroyed. The monster it was "connected to" would be destroyed by Premature's effect.
 
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I´m sory that i have to push up this threat again, but i dont wanna start a new one.
I Just looked for another ruling about Premature Burial and i found this one:
If you have "Lord of D." on the field, and activate "Premature Burial" to Special Summon a Dragon-Type monster from your Graveyard, that is okay, but if your opponent later destroys "Premature Burial" your Dragon-Type monster is also destroyed because "Premature Burial" is NOT selecting your Dragon-Type as a target.
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This rulings says, that the destruction-effect is not targeting right? If not, why not?
Thx & greetz
Xe0
 
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-Xe0- said:
I´m sory that i have to push up this threat again, but i dont wanna start a new one.
I Just looked for another ruling about Premature Burial and i found this one:

This rulings says, that the destruction-effect is not targeting right? If not, why not?
Thx & greetz
Xe0
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Whoa. That doesn't make sense. Does this mean I can Premature Burial my Spirit Reaper, now? :confused: That can't be right. I mean I looked it up myself, but I still can't believe it.
 
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Apples and oranges.

The "targeting" part comes from when you first play "Premature Burial", select the monster from the graveyard, Special Summon it to the field, and then equip "Premature Burial" to it (which is when had you picked "Spirit Reaper" it would be destroyed by its own effect).

But the other part of the card... when "Premature Burial" is destroyed, destroy the equipped monster is similar to the phrasing of "Fissure" (destroy the monster with the "lowest ATK") or "Smashing Ground" ("highest DEF"). I know it looks odd but that's the theory behind its function and why the "destruction" is non-targeting.
 
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I asked a similar question regarding targeting. Lord of D and King Dragun prevent dragons from being a single target, i.e.: Ring of Destruction, Exiled Force, etc. It does not prevent dragons from being targeted where the card being used does not target: Dark Hole, Tribe Infecting Virus, etc.
So, as denetsu pointed out, Premature Burial and Call of the Haunted target a creature in the graveyard, but once equiped, no longer target. The effect just is.

For the example that started this whole thread, when player A played MST on player B's call, as long as player B had set Emergency Provisions, they could chain that card to call to "send" and not destroy call, then MST would not have a valid target and be wasted, and DD Dragon would remain on the field.
 
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densetsu_x said:
Apples and oranges.

The "targeting" part comes from when you first play "Premature Burial", select the monster from the graveyard, Special Summon it to the field, and then equip "Premature Burial" to it (which is when had you picked "Spirit Reaper" it would be destroyed by its own effect).

But the other part of the card... when "Premature Burial" is destroyed, destroy the equipped monster is similar to the phrasing of "Fissure" (destroy the monster with the "lowest ATK") or "Smashing Ground" ("highest DEF"). I know it looks odd but that's the theory behind its function and why the "destruction" is non-targeting.
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I disagree. Equip cards constantly target:


"¢ [Re: Freed the Matchless General] You can activate "Premature Burial" to Special Summon this card from the Graveyard, and then this card's effect will negate and destroy "Premature Burial". "Freed the Matchless General" will not be destroyed since the effect of "Premature Burial" was negated by his effect.

Premature Burial activated and resolved properly but freed still negates it as it constantly targets.

However Lord of D. and King Dragun's effect is badly written: It does not stop targetting effects: it only stops cards from selecting dragon type monsters as a target at activation. Therefore since Premature Burial was already activated Lord of D. has no power over it. The destruction effect of Premature Burial does not use the chain.
 
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I though about some more times and now i think DaGuyWitBluGlasses is right.
I found this ruling in the registry:
[...]If your opponent activates "Ring of Destruction" targeting a Dragon-Type monster you control and you chain "Call of the Haunted" to Special Summon "Lord of D." from your Graveyard, your Dragon-Type monster is still destroyed [...].
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So it was the text of Lord of D. who was the reason for confusion.
In the end Different Dimension Dragon is still that good what i hoped for.
thanks for any reply!
greetz
Xe0
 
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If you have "Lord of D." on the field, and activate "Premature Burial" to Special Summon a Dragon-Type monster from your Graveyard, that is okay, but if your opponent later destroys "Premature Burial" your Dragon-Type monster is also destroyed because "Premature Burial" is NOT selecting your Dragon-Type as a target.

There is one thing that is bothering me about this ruling and I wonder if maybe we are interpreting it wrong.

While you have "Lord of D." on the field you cannot equip your Dragon-Type monsters with Equip Spell Cards, but if you already have a Dragon-Type monster equipped with an Equip Spell Card when you Summon "Lord of D.", the Equip Spell card is not destroyed or negated, because "Lord of D." only prevents Dragon-Type monsters from being selected as a target.

Is it possible that Premature Burial is not equipped to the monster after it is Special Summoned to the field and this is why thier saying that it's not targeting the monster? It makes more sense to me to view it this way. Because I can't rationalize the effect as not targeting the monster when an equip card is doing that continuously.
 
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THAT is precisely what I was thinking when I read that ruling!

But....wait...so if that were true, then why would "Premature Burial" remain on the field? If it were 'negated' or 'not allowed' to target the Dragon, then wouldn't it be destroyed?
 
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It's similar to Call of the Haunted and Jinzo. Jinzo is not on the field so you can activate Call of the Haunted. Jinzo is now on the field and negates Call but does not destroy it, so Jinzo remains on the field w/Call equipped to him. Lord of D or King Dragun is on the field and you play Call or Premature to bring a dragon to the field. The dragon is on the field and Lord of D and King Dragun "negate" Call/Premature, but don't destroy it, so your dragon remains on the field.
 
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[...]If your opponent activates "Ring of Destruction" targeting a Dragon-Type monster you control and you chain "Call of the Haunted" to Special Summon "Lord of D." from your Graveyard, your Dragon-Type monster is still destroyed [...].
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You do see the reason for this don't you? Lord of D. only prevents cards from targeting dragon type monsters. Ring of Destruction has been activated by the time Call of the Haunted brings Lord of D. back to the field and it's too late to prevent a targeting that has already happened. It's only the resolution that is left for Ring of Destruction in this example.
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