Can a God Defy Lightning?

[DaRkNiTeOmEgA252]

Now this is an interesting ruling:

Player A draws Left Leg of the Forbidden One during his Draw Phase. Player A declares victory, since he has the other 4 pieces of Exodia in his hand. Player B responds with Divine Wrath, stating that since Exodia's head is an effect monster, he can use it to negate exodia's instant win condition. I say this is not possible. Am I wrong?

 

[Digital Jedi]

Maybe a bit late reaction...
Read Divine Wrath, and you'll know what I mean. Exodia DOESN'T activate. Besides that it is a Continues Effect, and the fact it is a game mechanic that let's win you the game when you have all the 5 pieces of Exodia...

My comment was in reply to your statemment "BTW: Exodia is in the HAND. Divine Wrath negates on the FIELD." That implies that Divine Wrath cannot negate effects that activate off the field, which is not true.

And I acknowldged that Exodia is a continuous/condition effect when I said that it cannot be chained to. It's location has nothing to do with why it's un-Wrath-able.

 

[BenjaminMS]

OK... sorry, I reacted a bit too quick on it maybe

 

[Fuzzman]

Here my $17.28

Trap Dustshoot or Disapear

Lol, just a thought 4 peieces in hand someone plays Disturbance Strategy...

 

[Digital Jedi]

OK... sorry, I reacted a bit too quick on it maybe

Thats okay. I read and re-read my Steamroid answer last night and STILL mistook the word "this" for a "the". Screwed up my whole outcome.

 

[Jason_C]

I have always considered Exchange to be the best anti-exodia card.
-pssvr

 

[BenjaminMS]

Just trying DJ's smileys... lol..

I've got to say... they are fun... (following order) BKSS, then the cog_smile, morpjar, cyberjar...

LOL watch Jedi's links to be able to get them (copy&paste).

(If this is considered spam... I'm sorry)

 

[Raijinili]

For better or worse, topicality is usually not moderator-enforced on message boards within topics themselves.

Mayhap he donate the emoticons to EmpyreGroup?

 

[Digital Jedi]

(If this is considered spam... I'm sorry)

Technically, yes. Hard to chastise you since it was my smileys that triggered it. I just wish people would use them for actuall posts.

 

[Jason_C]

That was most definitely spam. But I won't get angry, since it was so darn funny.

Ya know, it's kinda like when we have these discussions to determine the Appropriate Reasoning until finally we have aGreed that the bLast Will almost certainly cause severe Stumbling and may even leave some deaD. Humans cannot withstand such irony, even when the have ANTE-ed a UMI!!!

-pssvr

 

[skey23]

Then get with DaAmazing1 and see about getting them added!..go..go..go!

 

[roadhouse007]

No, Exodia is a built-in win condition in the game. The game always* checks the game state to see if a win condition has been completed, and if so, immediately stops the game in favour of the winner. Divine Wrath cannot stop the game.

* not 'always' always - not within effect resolution, for example

Exodia the Forbidden One is a 3 star 1000/1000 monster dark/spellcaster/EFFECT. If the card did not have its effect text, there is no specific rule besides the card rulings that state " a player to have (exodia's 5 parts) in hand automatically wins the duel." It IS a game state situation, yes. But not built into the game. Built into the CARD.

And exodia cannot be negated because it happens, continuous effect conditions met, not chainable, game over.

After looking at this closer though, an interesting question arose:


It is player A's draw phase. He/she has 4 pieces of exodia in hand. She goes to draw, and after she drew the card, player B activates Drop Off. He/she then notices (after actually looking at it) it is the 5th piece!!!

What happens?

 

[Deathjester]

If the fifth and final piece of Exodia is drawn, the opponent wins before the effect of "Drop Off" is resolved.

4th ruling on Drop Off.

 

[Jathro]

If the fifth and final piece of Exodia is drawn, the opponent wins before the effect of "Drop Off" is resolved.

4th ruling on Drop Off.

Which begs the question...

"If the effect of Graceful Charity has to resolve, why should Drop Off be any different?"

 

[BenjaminMS]

Because it is a different type of effect...
Drop Off is a card that is activated in 'response' to the drawing of the opponent. Gracefull Charity is a card that lets you draw, but has the 2nd effect that you have to discard. Drop Off is a chain card, with Gracefull Charity it happens mid-resolving, so the WHOLE card has to resolve.

 

[masterwoo0]

Benjamin pretty much got it right. The only drawback to getting the pieces with Graceful Charity is the fact that you must have an additional 2 cards to dispose of so you dont lose any pieces of Exodia. So if you only just have the five pieces, you are pretty much screwed.

 

[daivahataka]

Unless you've Dark Factory of Mass Production or something similar on the field.

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

Exodia the Forbidden One is a 3 star 1000/1000 monster dark/spellcaster/EFFECT. If the card did not have its effect text, there is no specific rule besides the card rulings that state " a player to have (exodia's 5 parts) in hand automatically wins the duel." It IS a game state situation, yes. But not built into the game. Built into the CARD.

No, it's built into the game. Check your rulebook, it's always been in there.

Yes it's an effect monster, so is Cyber Harpie Lady which has no effect either.

 

[anthonyj]

No, it's built into the game. Check your rulebook, it's always been in there.

Yes it's an effect monster, so is Cyber Harpie Lady which has no effect either.

So if I use Prohibition and declare Exodia the Forbidden One will you still win if you have all 5 pieces in hand?

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

So if I use Prohibition and declare Exodia the Forbidden One will you still win if you have all 5 pieces in hand?

Yes, that's right.
Prohibition cannot stop a victory by Exodia the Forbidden One.

 

[Raijinili]

No, it's built into the game. Check your rulebook, it's always been in there.

Yes it's an effect monster, so is Cyber Harpie Lady which has no effect either.

Yeah... funny thing about that. In a later edition of the rulebook, the Ouija Board was listed as a rule condition, and then I believe it wasn't in the latest edition with all the Last Turns and Final Countdowns they were cranking out.

Japanese rule book, of course.