Cannon Soldier and Priority after a Special Summon?

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This situation came up in a casual duel.

I had a Call of the Haunted face-down and a Cannon Soldier in my Graveyard.
My opponent had a face-down Ring of Destruction.


It's my turn.


I activate Call of the Haunted to get back my Cannon Soldier. My opponent does nothing and I Special Summon Cannon Soldier.
Immediately after I place Cannon Soldier on the field, my opponent flips over his Ring of Destruction to target my Cannon Soldier.


QUESTION: Can I Tribute Cannon Soldier as a use of my Priority (Tributing Cannon Soldier for his own effect), or am I powerless to do anything about his Ring of Destruction activation?


Also (not a Priority question), here's what really happened:

I flipped over my Call of the Haunted. He then activated Ring of Destruction to target the monster I'd get (he knew I'd get Cannon Soldier). Thing is, I had another monster face-up at the time (Magician of Faith).

I know this is wrong (the way he wanted to do it), but how would you rule if that were a tournament duel? I'd say he would have to target Magician of Faith since he did activate it while his opponent had a face-up monster on the field (remember that Call of the Haunted hasn't resolved yet).


Thanks!
 
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I activate Call of the Haunted to get back my Cannon Soldier. My opponent does nothing and I Special Summon Cannon Soldier.
Immediately after I place Cannon Soldier on the field, my opponent flips over his Ring of Destruction to target my Cannon Soldier.
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In that case, if it is your turn, you would retain priority, and could activate Cannon Soldier before Ring could be activated. The Turn Player always has the right to activate first.

I flipped over my Call of the Haunted. He then activated Ring of Destruction to target the monster I'd get (he knew I'd get Cannon Soldier). Thing is, I had another monster face-up at the time (Magician of Faith).
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If Ring is chained to your Call, then MoF would have to be chosen. Cannon Soldier is not face-up yet, and is not a legal target.

Hope that helps
 
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Yeah, Ring activated in a chain to Call has to resolve before a monster is placed on the field.

Player A has a face-up Magician of Faith, face-down Call of the Haunted

Player B has a face-down Ring of Destruction

Chain link
Player A activates "Call of the Haunted"

Player B activates "Ring of Destruction"

Resolution
Ring of Destruction ----> Magician of Faith destoyed

Call of the Haunted ----> Cannon Soldier recovered from Graveyard


If the controller of Ring of Destruction has no monsters fae-up on the field, he cannot target his own monster and must select the only other target available which would be Magician of Faith.
 
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I activate Call of the Haunted to get back my Cannon Soldier. My opponent does nothing and I Special Summon Cannon Soldier.
Immediately after I place Cannon Soldier on the field, my opponent flips over his Ring of Destruction to target my Cannon Soldier.

QUESTION: Can I Tribute Cannon Soldier as a use of my Priority (Tributing Cannon Soldier for his own effect), or am I powerless to do anything about his Ring of Destruction activation?

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In answer to this question, you'd best consult the head judge of any given tournament. You're going to get varied rulings AT THIS POINT IN TIME even from L2 and L3 judges. There are unconfirmed issues regarding priority and the ability of both players (turn player first, then non turn player) to respond to the end of a resolved chain with a spell speed 2 effect or higher before turn player resumes priority. The answer to your question for any given day is going to depend upon who the judge is.....sorry to say.
 
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Lots of players forget how chain resolves they activate their cards in chain but they forget how it is solved, from the last to the first. So if your opponent chained ring of destruction in chain to your COTH, inmediatly after ring is activated it chooses a target. When it resolves ROD destroys the selected monster on the field and then the monster is summoned.
 
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My intention on the second question was to see how you would judge it during a tournament. The choices basically are:

A) You wanted the Special Summoned monster destroyed, so you will flip Ring of Destruction back face-down until Call of the Haunted resolves. Then you can activate Ring of Destruction and target Cannon Soldier.

OR

B) You flipped it at the wrong time. There is at least 1 legal target on the field, so you must choose it. In other words, "Too bad. You activated it, now choose a target."


My vote goes for B as long as there was a legal target on the field at activation (which was the case in my example).
 
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If situation "B" occured, the player that activated Ring would have to suffer the consequences of activating Ring to early and take pride in the fact that he did 300 damage to both players.
 
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for the first one, You have priority on the monster.

hence spell speed 1 (cannon soldier) to Ring of destruction (speed2) doesnt work. if its the other way around cause CS is to slow for it. but since this is the beggining of a new chain not the chain of Call of the haunted you have priority.

then ring will no longer have its target and just burn away if cannon soldier is getting tributed of course.

in your second situation. Dependent on who is judging, there are alot of L1 Judges that just became judges for the hell of it, they really dont have a clue. and this is true most of the time. but you do have to give them respect since they are taking the time to actually judge something.

but for the situation at hand the chain would be.

Call of the Haunted> Ring of destruction

Ring of destruction resolves first. <---Here is were we find out what ring of destructions target was and blow it up.

Remember ROD can only target LEGAL targets meaning only on the field and are face up. It cannot target something that is in the graveyard.

Call of the haunted will now resolve as normal <~~~ Getting the monster it had targeted when activated.

from here the field would end up.

Call attached to new monster, 1 Less monster on the field, and 1 less S/T in your Opponents side of the field.

THIS is how the situation is handled. and thats how it should be handled.

remember while you are playing, dont jump the gun and give your own rulings even if your a judge outside of tournaments, let the judge at the moment do what they got to do.

If they dont call it how it should be, then ooo well get on with life and later on show the judge how You would have handled the situation, maybe they will prolly learn something.
 
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Once again I find priority extremely confusing. Why doesn't it work as follows.

Player A summons Cannon Soldier and then using turn priority chooses to activate its effect. At this point player B has not had the right to activate Ring of Destruction. However, the activation of Cannon Soldier's effect starts a chain that player B can now chain 2 with RoD.

Step 1 (Resolves last) Player A activates Cannon Soldier's effect
Step 2 (Resolves first) Player B activates RoD.

Step 2 RoD resolves destroying Cannon Soldier and inflicting damage to both players
Step 1 resolves but with Cannon Soldier destroyed it cannot be tributed for its own effect.

:)
 
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deckmaster said:
Once again I find priority extremely confusing. Why doesn't it work as follows.

Player A summons Cannon Soldier and then using turn priority chooses to activate its effect. At this point player B has not had the right to activate Ring of Destruction. However, the activation of Cannon Soldier's effect starts a chain that player B can now chain 2 with RoD.

Step 1 (Resolves last) Player A activates Cannon Soldier's effect
Step 2 (Resolves first) Player B activates RoD.

Step 2 RoD resolves destroying Cannon Soldier and inflicting damage to both players
Step 1 resolves but with Cannon Soldier destroyed it cannot be tributed for its own effect.

:)
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Because to activate "Cannon Soldier"'s effect, it must send a monster to the graveyard as a cost. So, if "Cannon Soldier" sent itself to the graveyard as the cost to activate its effect, it's no longer on the field for "Ring of Destruction" to target.

- Andrew
 
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