Cards in Warrior Structure Deck Legal?

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I was at a local tournament today, and someone was trying to play the common Royal Decree from the Warrior Structure Deck. He was told that he couldn't play it yet. Is that official? I thought that all cards were legal now as soon as they were released.
 
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I was judgeing regionals in conn sunday and only the following cards were not legal:

-divine swords pheonix blade
-gilford the legend
-something warrior lady fromt he wastland

everything else is legal

If you remember, FET wasn't legal for a month for large scale events untill a month after it's release date but the previously released card, Card of Sanctity, was still legal for tournament play.


Also, from what I heard, UDE is going to sue walmart for selling product before release date. It takes away from small business and fairness in the market. By the time individual shop owners sell product very few people will wish to purchase it.
 
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I think they would be foolish to Sue Walmart. For one, regardless of whether or not they jump the gun, Walmart is NOT the one who puts the product out. Walmart only provides space for the Yugioh TCG Products, and depending on what store you go to, there may not even be that much of a selection for the simple fact that most Walmarts would rather make room for product that THEY control.

Yugioh is not stocked by Walmart. If you ask employees when the new set is coming out, they will normally give you a blank stare since they have no product control over it. Again, they only provide space for it to be sold in their Stores. Its like going to a Swap Meet. The actual Store or Lot that sponsors it, is not the one who controls the sellers or their products. They just give them a spot to sell their goods from.

So, UDE can sue Walmart all they want. The only thing that will happen is that they will just stop selling it, the small towns that Walmart is the biggest store there, Yugioh players will be unable to have access to new cards, and will be unable to go other areas to buy them and that will cause people to leave the game.

Even losing "one" player for something as ridiculous as Walmart beat everyone else to the punch is stupid. What usually happens when everyone here's the latest set is out? You dont see them saying,

"Hey, Im not buying it cause it said it won't be out for another month!!!"

"I want to be fair to my buddies and wait to get it with everyone else!"


If you are one of those people who would do that, I commend and salute you! For the most part, I know 90% of you will try to get to where ever it is that is selling it so that you can get your hands on them before they sellout. I told everyone that the Warrior Structure Deck was going to be released in mid-October, but everyone swore it wasnt going to be until November. I had first hand info from the person who Stocks Walmart with Yugioh. I used to be there "Johnny-on-the-spot" the day they would tell me to be there.

UDE isnt going to cut off their nose to spite their face on this. Its still making money regardless. We all know the better cards come from Hobby Boxes, so those people who dont have any Hobby Stores in their town, who cries for them?
 
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Not really. Maybe I own property and I have a hole in my fence that everyone uses to get to here and there. I have no problem with it until someone makes a mess on my property. Then, I close the whole and everyone can find somewhere else to go through.

Thats not necessarily "de facto" control, its just the way it is. they are letting UDE sell a product through their store, of course they arent doing it for free, but they do not order it, nor do they control it being stocked, but they can advertise it (which they rarely do). Walmart Employees cannot go to the stockroom and get a Blister Package of Yugioh and put it out like they can most other products. It's vendor controlled and stocked.

If the Vendor is sick and doesnt come to the store on the "authorized" release date, or even if they don't come for a month PAST the release date, it stays in the Stockroom. That, to me, is not control.
 
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Makes sense. But still, Wal-Mart began selling before the release date, and yet UDE has done nothing about it. Regardless of the reasons, that to me is still de facto control.
-pssvr
 
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If UDE sticks to the November "release" date, the Deck as a WHOLE will be Street Legal Dec 1st.

Currently, the three new cards are unplayable. Everything else is good!
 
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all except the 3 new cards are legal in tournament.

until we get rulings for the remaining 3, we cant consider them legal.

actually all of them are legal upon release, this includes game promos, magazine promos and so forth.

sets and so forth have specified dates for premier events only.
 
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"Upon release" is a misnomer. As demonstrated by the post on the Judge's list about sneak preview cards, they are legal for tournaments as soon as you have them in your hand, the official release date doesn't matter.

As demonstrated when the Forbidden list was first announced in Asian territories, UDE has no plans to implement a system where players cannot use some of their cards at all

So basically, you may use any authentic card in your possesion unless there is any official document that specifically says you can't. (i.e the forbidden/limited list.. the set legality date for premiere tournaments, the Harpie Lady ruling [can only use max 3 of 5 different harpies], the rulebook)

There is nothing that specifically says you may not use cards from the Warrior Structure Deck, therefore they are legal for any level of tournament.
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
"Upon release" is a misnomer. As demonstrated by the post on the Judge's list about sneak preview cards, they are legal for tournaments as soon as you have them in your hand, the official release date doesn't matter.

There is nothing that specifically says you may not use cards from the Warrior Structure Deck, therefore they are legal for any level of tournament.
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That is not true. Using that logic, you would also have been able to use Embodiment of Apophis at the Pre-Release, which you could not, as it was stated the Embodiment of Apophis was not legal for Tournament Play at Major Events until the first of the month.

The 3 new cards from the Warrior Structure Deck are not legal at Major Events because the set has not been released on UDE's official release date. Just because people have them doesnt make the set released nation-wide. Local Events are another matter entirely, which is the core of my argument.

The same thing happened when Walmart released the IOC Special Edition Boxes early. The only difference was, IOC had already been released as a Set, and the Promos were also previously released (Lava Golem, Gemini Elf, Ring of Destruction, Judgment of Anubis).
 
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masterwoo0 said:
That is not true. Using that logic, you would also have been able to use Embodiment of Apophis at the Pre-Release, which you could not, as it was stated the Embodiment of Apophis was not legal for Tournament Play at Major Events until the first of the month.
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If it was stated that Embodiment of Apophis was not legal until the first of the month, then that is "specifically saying that you may not use it."

But this is what was said:
http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=5686

I interpret it as meaning that you can't use it in your opne play deck, as you must use the cards from the packs. But even if it's saying you can't use it for constructed side-events at the Sneak Preview, there's nothing to say that it wouldn't be legal for any other tournament that weekend.

The 3 new cards from the Warrior Structure Deck are not legal at Major Events because the set has not been released on UDE's official release date. Just because people have them doesnt make the set released nation-wide. Local Events are another matter entirely, which is the core of my argument.
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And what have you seen that says they are not legal in major events?

There was an email from a UDE rep saying already that they were legal... (can't seem to find it at the moment, i'll post it when i can)
 
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masterwoo0 said:
This should be no different than when Dark Beginnig I was released with Makyura the Destructor. All the other cards were legal as they had already been released, with him as the exception.

I dont see this as any different just because it is a Structure Deck.
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Other new cards from the structure deck were legal immediately: http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=3228

Dark Beginning 2 had all New cards being legal immediately. IF you're going to compare a structure deck to Dark Beginnings, shouldn't it be compared to the more recent release?

Dark Beginning 1 was released before the change of the policy regarding card legality (May '05). Dark Beginning 2 was released after this point. Therefore Dark Beginning 2 is the more relevant set.
 
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But there werent any new cards in the Dark Beginning II set. At least none that I remember, so it's not the same to use DB2 when it doesnt have anyway for me to apply the "new card" rule too.
 
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