ceasefire, tsuku, and jinzo

[Inuyasha_Riku]

hey guys my friend and i are kind of in the middle of a duel rite now and i need a rulings figured out

my friend has a face up Jinzo on his field and a face down trap which is ceasefire...

i have a tsukuyomi in my hand a face down call of the haunted...if i summon my tsukuyomi and flip his jinzo facedown, could he chain his f/d ceasefire to tsuku's effect?

 

[Inuyasha_Riku]

and another question, would ceasefire still cause damage to me?

 

[Deathjester]

He wouldn't be able to chain Ceasefire because Jinzo is still face-up. Tsukuyomi's effect hasn't resolved yet.

 

[Digital Jedi]

Unlike Royal Decree, Jinzo prevents the activation of Trap Cards, not just their resolution. Ceasefire cannot even be activated until Tsukuyomi resolves.

 

[Kyhotae]

and another question, would ceasefire still cause damage to me?

Assuming "Tsukiyomi" resolves and flips "Jinzo" face down, when "Ceasefire" is activated it flips "Jinzo" face up and negates "Ceasefire" because it's still on the field when trying to resolve. The only way you could still do the damage is to chain "Mystical Space Typhoon" and destroy "Ceasefire" before it resolves so it's not face-up on the field with "Jinzo" when it's trying to resolve.

 

[masterwoo0]

Assuming "Tsukiyomi" resolves and flips "Jinzo" face down, when "Ceasefire" is activated it flips "Jinzo" face up and negates "Ceasefire" because it's still on the field when trying to resolve. The only way you could still do the damage is to chain "Mystical Space Typhoon" and destroy "Ceasefire" before it resolves so it's not face-up on the field with "Jinzo" when it's trying to resolve.

Go back and re-read the post from Deathjester, and think about what you just said.

Ceasefire has already resolved by the time it flips Jinzo face-up.

 

[slither]

and another question, would ceasefire still cause damage to me?

If Jinzo WAS face-down and Ceasfire is activated, Ceasfire would cause damage and count Jinzo into that damage total.

 

[drzero7]

Yeah, you activate Ceasefire AFTER Tsukuyomi's effect resolves, cause THEN it's face-down. And yeah, Ceasefire would count face-down Jinzo as part of 500x damage (Of course after that, there's a face-up Jinzo and thus you cannot use traps again)

Similar situation. You summon Tsuku to flip your foe Jinzo face-down. After that's done, now you activate Nobleman of Crossout to remove your foe's Jinzo from play. Your foe now can tribute their face-down Jinzo for Deck Devastation Virus and Jinzo will hit the graveyard along with DDV effect.

 

[Digital Jedi]

Assuming "Tsukiyomi" resolves and flips "Jinzo" face down, when "Ceasefire" is activated it flips "Jinzo" face up and negates "Ceasefire" because it's still on the field when trying to resolve. The only way you could still do the damage is to chain "Mystical Space Typhoon" and destroy "Ceasefire" before it resolves so it's not face-up on the field with "Jinzo" when it's trying to resolve.

If Tsukuyomi resolves and flips Jinzo face-down, then Jinzo is face-down ad his effect is inactive. If his opponent activates Ceasefire, Jinzo cannot insert his effect in the middle of a resolving link, he can only insert himself in between resolving links. He cannot interrupt one. The flipping and the damage from Ceasefire are all part of one effect, and damage would be inflicted when Ceasefire resolves. After that, Jinzo's effect would become activate.

 

[HorusMaster]

If Tsukuyomi resolves and flips Jinzo face-down, then Jinzo is face-down ad his effect is inactive. If his opponent activates Ceasefire, Jinzo cannot insert his effect in the middle of a resolving link, he can only insert himself in between resolving links. He cannot interrupt one. The flipping and the damage from Ceasefire are all part of one effect, and damage would be inflicted when Ceasefire resolves. After that, Jinzo's effect would become activate.

But you can chain Call of the Haunted to Ceasefire if you're willing to take the hit of your monster, provided you summoned an effect monster.

 

[Kyhotae]

Go back and re-read the post from Deathjester, and think about what you just said.

Ceasefire has already resolved by the time it flips Jinzo face-up.

It's actually in the middle of resolving. Don't continuous effects take effect as soon as they're on the field? Wouldn't that negate anything that's trying to resolve at the time?

 

[masterwoo0]

It's actually in the middle of resolving. Don't continuous effects take effect as soon as they're on the field? Wouldn't that negate anything that's trying to resolve at the time?

Your only chance to negate a Normal Trap's effect is when it is activating, not resolving.

Ceasefire resolves, flipping all face-down monsters face-up. Then the effect calls for calculating damage from effect monsters.

 

[HorusMaster]

Your only chance to negate a Normal Trap's effect is when it is activating, not resolving.

Ceasefire resolves, flipping all face-down monsters face-up. Then the effect calls for calculating damage from effect monsters.

So unless you have a counter trap or spell card to stop Ceasefire from being activated or destroying it BEFORE resolution of it's effect, then the effect still goes through, resolves AND THEN Jinzo's effect takes over negating trap cards.

 

[Digital Jedi]

It's actually in the middle of resolving. Don't continuous effects take effect as soon as they're on the field? Wouldn't that negate anything that's trying to resolve at the time?

Continuous Effects do not become active in the middle of a resolving chain link. They become active inbetween chain links. Jinzo effect will not apply until Ceasefire resolves:

http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=9375#9375

Jinzo vs. Final Attack Orders Vs. Ceasefire 2006-05-02 11:46:00 <Ryoga Hibiki>

I have a face-down Defense Position Jinzo, a face-up
Final Attack Orders, and a face-down Ceasefire on the
field.

I activate Ceasefire, flipping Jinzo face-up and doing
500 damage to my opponent.

Now, what battle position is Jinzo in? Is he in
Defense Position because Final Attack Orders is
negated or not?

Cheers,
Ryoga

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ANSWER:

He is in Defense Position.
All Continuous Effects are constantly applied in-between links of a chain, but not withing a single link in the chain.

So "Jinzo" is flipped-face up, and the damage is dealt for "Ceasefire's" effect.
Now "Ceasefire" has resolved, so we would apply any Continuous Effects, but "Final Attack Order's" effect is negated because "Jinzo" is face-up on the field.


Dan Scheidegger
Jr. Game Designer
Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG R&D
Upper Deck Entertainment

So unless you have a counter trap or spell card to stop Ceasefire from being activated or destroying it BEFORE resolution of it's effect, then the effect still goes through, resolves AND THEN Jinzo's effect takes over negating trap cards.

Or if you can chain an effect that will flip Jinzo face-up, like Desert Sunlight, then his effect wil become active before Ceasefire can resolve.