Chaos Emperor Dragon VS> Book of Moon

[Javario]

Hello all,

Question: if my opponent activates the now legally banned card Chaos Emperor Dragon aka Ced, can I book of moon it? I mean, who's effect goes through first? Can he pay a thousand since it was a mutlitrigger effect. Besides barrel behind the door can he be stopped without actually paying life like solemn judgement. I know jowgen the spiritualist can stop him, best situation is discarding sinister serpent or whatever you got to use as a cost. But, what else is there?


-Javario

"intermediate duelist"

 

[masterwoo0]

Chaos Emperor Dragon is not Multi-Trigger.  That would be saying that he can activate effect on either players turn as that would make him Spell Speed 2, and he is only Spell Speed 1.

As long as the condition when he was summoned was correct when he activated his effect, his effect would not disappear if flipped face-down from the chaining of Book of Moon.

Where being face-down matters is if there is a chain to his effect that would destroy all face up monsters on the field.  Depending on where Book of Moon is in the Chain, it may or may not affect CED.

 

[DarkSpider]

hello,

CeD is a cost effect monster. so it is only useable in main phase 1 and 2 of the ced controllers turn.

the point is, that the summoner of CED can use his priority to use the effect of paying 1000 lp.
after that, you can chain to the effect activation, or respond to the summon of CED. but in each case, the chain with your(for example book of moon) would look like this:

CED summon, use prio:
chain link 1: ced effect
chain link 2: book of moon (or torrential tribute as respond to the summon of CED)

resolving:
chain link 2: book flips ced face down
chain link 1: ced´s effect sends all cards that are on the field at this moment, and in the hand, to the grave and deals dmg cards x 300. its important to know, that cards that are activated in a chain, are not send to the graveyard in the chain, unless they are destroyed. so if there are for example, 1 ced and 3 cards in the hand, and your opponent has only the face down book of moon and 1 card in his hand the dmg would be 6 x 300 = 1800

the point is, that the effect from CED has no condition that he must be on the field in any way (face up/face down). the same result for torrential tribute. it would destroy all monsters on the field. they would not count to the dmg, because tt destroyed them, but the torrential would count.

greetings from germany
Spidy

 

[masterwoo0]

This is what I was referring to about Chaos Emperor Dragon being face-down in chain.

First Chain
Chain Link 1:  CED's effect
Chain Link 2:  Book of Moon
Chain Link 3:  Ring of Destruction

Resolve

Chain Link 3:  Ring Destroys CED, deals 3000 dmg to both players
Chain Link 2:  CED destroyed, Book's effect disappears
Chain Link 1:  CED's effect resolves, sending all cards in both players hand and field to Graveyard


Second Chain
Chain Link 1:  CED's effect
Chain Link 2:  Ring of Destuction
Chain Link 3:  Book of Moon

Resolve

Chain Link 3:  Book of Moon flips CED face-down
Chain Link 2:  Ring of Destruction has no legal target, effect disappears
Chain Link 1:  CED's effect resolves, sending all cards in both players hand and field to Graveyard

 

[Javario]

Incorrect master woo,

Ced, is a multitrigger monster!

GO to upperdeckentertainment.com/yugioh "specific card rulings" advanced portion



ced is multitrigger, If I myself summon him they can activate torrential tribute and if I want to deal damage I can pay. That's basically all you can do if they activate torrential. But, I can almost guarantee he is multitrigger....


-Javario

 

[XionChaos]

the only way to stop the priority of ced's cost effect (yes it is a cost effect, pyaing 1000 makes it cost not multitrigger, + its not usable on opponents turn, effect not multitrigger, settled) would be to negate the summon of it completely, solemn judgement, horn of heaven.

 

[xxxVIPERxxx]

Xion is correct, either negate the summons, or expect the player to pay the cost and blow it in place on you so your effects will not work. Remember, CED turn player has priority unless he hands it to you.


I'm out!!

 

[DarkSpider]

javario I'm sorry but i cant see the point of ced being an multitrigger in the FAQ. Plz quote the statement that CED is an multitrigger

actually it goes like this way:
i special summon my ced. than my opponent can ask "do you want to use your priority?" and i answer with "yes" or i can say in the same second with the summon "i want to use my priority" both means i activate the effect immediately. that has nothing to do with a multitrigger. it is still a cost effect monster. Would it be an multitrigger effect monster, i could use the effect in my opponents turn and that is not really possible.

greetings from Germany
Spidy

edit: the second time today that i´m too slow with my answers... *narf* 

 

[Raijinili]

The Multi-trigger list. I might have missed one or two.

Electric Mashin - Sanga (e. Sanga of the Thunder (should've been Raijin))
Wind Mashin - Hyuga (e. Kazejin)
Water Mashin - Suuga (e. Suijin)
Magic Absorber (e. Maryokutai)
Injection Angel Lily (e. Injection Fairy Lily)
Swift Black Ninja (e. Strike Ninja)
Dragon Warrior (e. Ryu Senshi)
Demon: Dark Baltar (e. Dark Balter the Terrible)
Super Magic Swordsman - Black Paladin (e. Dark Paladin)
Kuribo (e. Kuriboh)
Shabti's Charm (e. Charm of Shabti)
Gravekeeper's Observer (e. Gravekeeper's Watcher)
Death Rook Demon (e. Desrook Archfiend)
Black Flame Dragon of Horus LV8 (e. Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8)
Magic Hierophant of Black (e. Sorcerer of Black Magic)
Blue Eyes Shining Dragon (e. Blue Eyes Shining Dragon)

Just for the heck of it, the "nomi" list. I am certain that this is complete.

Exodia Necros (e. Exodia Necross)
Berserk Dead Dragon (e. Berserk Dragon)
Mirage Knight (e. Mirage Knight)
Black Magician's Knight (e. Dark Magician Knight)*
Great Angel Zeraht (e. Archlord Zerato)
Devil Mazera (e. Mazera Deville)
Spirit of Pharaoh (e. Spirit of the Pharaoh)
Black Flame Dragon of Horus LV8 (e. Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8)
Armed Dragon LV7 (e. Armed Dragon LV7)
Magic Hierophant of Black (e. Sorcerer of Dark Magic)
Blue Eyes Shining Dragon (e. Blue Eyes Shining Dragon)
Sphinx Androgynous (e. Theinen the Great Sphinx)

FGD (not in AM)
Master Dragon Knight (not in AM)
Super Magic Swordsman - Black Paladin (e. Dark Paladin)

XYZ - Dragon Cannon (e. XYZ-Dragon Cannon)
XY - Dragon Cannon (e. XY-Dragon Cannon)
XZ - Caterpillar Cannon (e. XZ-Tank Cannon)
YZ - Caterpillar Dragon (e. YZ-Tank Dragon)

*Black Magician's Knight can be summoned from the Graveyard using Title of a Knight. (e. Dark Magician Knight can be summoned from the graveyard using Knight's Title.)

 

[Cha]

Incorrect master woo,

Ced, is a multitrigger monster!

GO to upperdeckentertainment.com/yugioh "specific card rulings" advanced portion



ced is multitrigger, If I myself summon him they can activate torrential tribute and if I want to deal damage I can pay. That's basically all you can do if they activate torrential. But, I can almost guarantee he is multitrigger....


-Javario

Multi-Trigger effects can be recognized by the following:
1. Stating it can be activated during your opponent's turn.
2. Having more than 1 trigger, hence the name Multi-Trigger
3. Stating it can chain (Dark Paladin, Ryu Senshi etc.)

Does CED state you can activate it during your opponent's turn? No
Does CED have more than 1 trigger? No
Does CED state it can chain? No

CED is just a normal Cost Effect, Spell Speed 1.

Also, in the example you gave, that's the case of turn priority.
This happens:
Player A (turn player) Special Summon CED by removing 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK monster
Player B activates Torrential
Since the turn player has priority to be able to activate CED's effect first, he/she can demand a "effect replay" as I call it, cause Player B activated TT too soon, not giving Player A a chance to activate CED's effect.

So it's done over again:
Player A (turn player) Special Summon CED by removing 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK monster
Player A activates CED's effect, pays 1000 LP
Player B chains Torrential to CED's effect

Resolve:
CL2: TT destroys all monster on the field
CL1: All cards on the field and in both hands are send to the GY, etc.

 

[Maester Bacman]

Great, this a lot of useful information. [Copying... copying...]

I'm glad for these forums. I remember the time when Exiled Force was Multi-Trigger. [It was very horrible, specially because I hadn't one back then].

I am now urging everyone to ask the opponent "¿will you use your priority?", since there is still a bit of confusion about it. :|

 

[Javario]

o.k I believe you, it's probably that the person I played didn't know and neither did I at the time. He's an effect monster with such power even though virtually unstopable. But, I beleive you,...

-Javario