Chimeratech Overdragon Flipped F/D

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First, if Chimeratech Overdragon is flipped face-down, will it forget the number of Fusion material monsters used, and have 0 ATK?

If the answer is yes, then will its last effect make it unable to attack monsters?

Lastly, this came to me while searching for the answer. If a monster is flipped face-down, does it forget which Fusion materials it used? If so, how will that work with De-Fusion?
 
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Entropy said:
First, if Chimeratech Overdragon is flipped face-down, will it forget the number of Fusion material monsters used, and have 0 ATK?

If the answer is yes, then will its last effect make it unable to attack monsters?

Lastly, this came to me while searching for the answer. If a monster is flipped face-down, does it forget which Fusion materials it used? If so, how will that work with De-Fusion?
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Im sure its no different that Great Maju Garzett or Maju Garzett. They both go to zero when flipped face-down and back face-up again.

As far as the Fusion Material, I dont think it forgets what was used to summon it, but its attack is determined by the monsters used in its summon at the time it hits the field, flipping it face-down resets that part of his effect. But it is still on the field, so it had to get there somehow....
 
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If it was flipped face-down, then it's ATK/DEF is 0. And you cannot use De-Fusion quick-spell probably cause it was "re-summoned" by flip summoning it or flipped face-up. (i.e. it forgot)

And another thing, if you Poly/Future Fusion Chimera properly. (For Future, you waited 2 turns without getting busted) and you didn't Overload Fusion it yet, you can probably De-Fusion it and get 5 out of 20+ machines you selected from the graveyard to the field. (i.e. it'll be the same as Dimension Fusion combo)
 
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drzero7 said:
If it was flipped face-down, then it's ATK/DEF is 0. And you cannot use De-Fusion quick-spell probably cause it was "re-summoned" by flip summoning it or flipped face-up. (i.e. it forgot)

And another thing, if you Poly/Future Fusion Chimera properly. (For Future, you waited 2 turns without getting busted) and you didn't Overload Fusion it yet, you can probably De-Fusion it and get 5 out of 20+ machines you selected from the graveyard to the field. (i.e. it'll be the same as Dimension Fusion combo)
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Its all or none with De-Fusion. So if you have more monsters than you have Spaces, you can't use De-Fusion's effect.
 
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drzero7 said:
And another thing, if you Poly/Future Fusion Chimera properly. (For Future, you waited 2 turns without getting busted)
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You can't use "Future Fusion" for "Chimeratech Overdragon" and not get "busted". As soon as "Chimeratech Overdragon" hits the field during the second Standby Phase after activation, it automatically sends "Future Fusion" to the Graveyard (along with the rest of the cards on your side of the field), which will, in turn, destroy "Chimeratech Overdragon".

The rest is as masterwoo0 said, except you can use "De-Fusion" to send the fusion monster back regardless of whether or not you can Special Summon the material monsters, but can only Special Summon the material monsters if you have room for ALL of them. That's the "all or nothing" part.
 
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Oh wait, I'm wrong about De-Fusion of Chimeratech.

- You can activate "De-Fusion" and target "Chimeratech Overdragon", but you can only Special Summon the Fusion Material Monsters if you have enough vacant Monster Card Zones for ALL of the Fusion Material Monsters you used.
 
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You can't use "Future Fusion" for "Chimeratech Overdragon" and not get "busted". As soon as "Chimeratech Overdragon" hits the field during the second Standby Phase after activation, it automatically sends "Future Fusion" to the Graveyard (along with the rest of the cards on your side of the field), which will, in turn, destroy "Chimeratech Overdragon".
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I was thinking of chaining of "when Chimera get busted" by Future Fusion, you activate De-Fusion. (It is a quick-play)

But then, I read this ruling so it's probably not allowed.

Future Fusion

- Destroying the monster when "Future Fusion" is removed from the field is an effect that cannot be chained to.

But then there's this ruling.

Chimeratech

- The effect that sends all your other cards to the Graveyard is a Trigger Effect and it can be chained to.

But still, I bet the judge will say that you cannot De-Fusion when Chimera hits the field with Future Fusion.
 
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Thinking about it, you could activate De-Fusion in response to Chimeratech's sending effect, because De-Fusion doesn't have activation requirements and you can chain to the sending effect. You'd get back the Fusion Material Monsters (providing you have enoug hempty spaces, of course). However, Chimeratech's effect would then activate (being Chain Link 1), which would destroy everything on your field.
 
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Or, just chain Interdimensional Matter Transporter. He'll leave, then return after everything get blown up.

But, it does raise the question, does he still remember the fusion materials?

(...and we're back to the original question. I love how that worked.)
 
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Kyhotae said:
You can't use "Future Fusion" for "Chimeratech Overdragon" and not get "busted". As soon as "Chimeratech Overdragon" hits the field during the second Standby Phase after activation, it automatically sends "Future Fusion" to the Graveyard (along with the rest of the cards on your side of the field), which will, in turn, destroy "Chimeratech Overdragon".

The rest is as masterwoo0 said, except you can use "De-Fusion" to send the fusion monster back regardless of whether or not you can Special Summon the material monsters, but can only Special Summon the material monsters if you have room for ALL of them. That's the "all or nothing" part.
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I'm a little curious....does Chimeratech Overdragon's effect send ALL of your cards, S/T's, as well as the monster's used to Fusion summon him?
If you use Future Fusion to summon Chimeratech Overdragon and he does send all S/T to the graveyard, how are you able to attack? What's the point of using Future Fusion, besides the sudden rush of material monsters onto the field?
 
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That's the point. You can't do it with "Future Fusion" so you use it to get all your Machines from your deck to the Graveyard, then use "Overload Fusion" to Summon "Chimeratech Overdragon" which then sends all your cards to the Graveyard. "Future Fusion" isn't used to bring out "Chimeratech Overdragon", it's just used to set up "Overload Fusion".
 
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Kyhotae said:
That's the point. You can't do it with "Future Fusion" so you use it to get all your Machines from your deck to the Graveyard, then use "Overload Fusion" to Summon "Chimeratech Overdragon" which then sends all your cards to the Graveyard. "Future Fusion" isn't used to bring out "Chimeratech Overdragon", it's just used to set up "Overload Fusion".
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I understand use of both (that's why I have them in my deck...LOL)
But if you don't have Overload Fusion, I guess you'd have to back up Future Fusion with De-Fusion to get the rush at summoning of Chimeratech Overdragon?
 
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Nope. "De-Fusion" won't work either. As was stated earlier, if it comes out during the 2nd Standby Phase, it's effect triggers. If you chain "De-Fusion", then you may get to Summon the monsters you used (provided you didn't use more than 5), but "Chimeratech Overdragon"s effect will resolve next and send all the cards you Summoned with "De-Fusion" straight to the Graveyard. You can't NOT get burned if you Summon "Chimeratech Overdragon" with "Future Fusion".
 
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Stein Installments

I know, such as Exiled Force, Last Will.

Although if we gain life, and lets say around 10 machines were used for the Chimera, Wokking it would boost one's LP by 8000 LP, which will often be more than enough for one or two Stein payments later on.
 
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