Article: Comprehensive Analyze Article: The TT Cards. . .
Author: Tkwiget
Origin: Duelist Underground
Note: I have no intension of bashing either one of these cards or any other cards that I mention in this article. It is simply to share generalized facts and information about Needle Ceiling and Torrential Tribute. Discussion will be allowed and is encouraged in this thread to be taken place.
Note#2: I will share as many note worthy strengths and weaknesses of Needle Ceiling and Torrential Tribute. I will help try to draw a new approach to deck building for some of you with the information provided in this article.
Lets first break down the contents of these cards and give information about each card. First I will begin this article with breaking down Needle Ceiling's effect piece by piece to better allow the community to understand it in case of any misconception or confusion that it might cause.
You can activate this card only
Fairly easy to understand. It is a commonly seen wording in Trap cards to have activations that are required to have certain conditions met in order to activate the card. Usually it's followed up by the later text of which the activation's requirement is.
when there are 4 or more monsters on the field.
This part of the first sentence is where the actual requirement is being said. Four or more monsters. That might seem a lot. But that covers both fields. Using cards such a Scapegoat or Ojama Trio (or Token producing cards) can help meet this card's activation requirements. It has flexibility and it is considered to be a non-chainable card because of the period of which it can't chain to other cards. Needle Ceiling has one superior ability over Torrential Tribute in this aspect. It can be activated in response to not only a summoning like Torrential Tribute but to card activations like Mystical Space Typhoon, Heavy Storm, Harpie's Feather Duster, etc. Also this card can be activated in response to a monster declaring an attack. It will then proceed to destroying monsters.
Destroy all face-up monsters on the field.
This is the interesting part of Needle Ceiling's effect that gives it an additional twist over Torrential Tribute. It will destroy all face-up monsters. This can help if you got monsters from Cyber Jar's effect and placed them all face down. This can help further instigate a destructive tactic on your opponent. Having one or several monsters face down from Cyber Jar and then they attack can result in you activating Needle Ceiling and "nuking" all of their monsters before they have a chance to do something else. There are a whole assortment of monsters to use in this tactic with along with a large assortment of decks to use it with and against. It works greatly against swarm decks such a Warrior, Zombie, and Gravekeeper-Based and annihilates Burn decks. Since those for deck types require unbelievable field stability, they will most likely fall to a single Needle Ceiling. Naturally this applies to Torrential Tribute as well, but I'll get into that later.
Since Needle Ceiling's effect allows it to shift from non-chainable to chainable. This gives it uses that Torrential Tribute can't ever get. Breathing down a couple Mataza the Zapper with the opponent having two The A. Forces on the field is a rough thing to swallow. 2100 attack isn't anything to laugh it when it's Mataza the Zapper. You can't take it over so you might as well destroy it as quickly as possible. Activating Scapegoat will result in a Recall and then one Mataza the Zapper will destroy two Tokens. The other will declare an attack and that's where Needle Ceiling is activated in response to that declared attack. Resulting in both of those Mataza the Zapper to be destroyed along with your last two remaining Sheep Tokens. A very interesting tactic to use against many decks of various types and designs.
If you're opponent uses fusion monsters such as Thousand-Eyes Restrict and declares to activate the effect, you may and can activate Needle Ceiling to that monster effect and destroy Thousand-Eyes Restrict before it has the chance to resolve its effect. Not only will it be destroyed, but its target will be as well.
Also in terms of going against Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning. Most likely the field will be a lot like this. You having two or three monsters. Opponent has one or two monsters. At this point the chances of getting Needle Ceiling to activate in response to anything that Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning does. No not even priority will let its Remove From Play effect work. This is how. They activate that effect, as we well know you can chain cards to monster effects that declare activation. (Much like Trigger, Igition, and Multi-Trigger effects.) This means that Needle Ceiling will destroy Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning and its target before Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning's effect will resolve completely. (Note: You do not activate Needle Ceiling in response to Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning's summoning, just Remove From Play effect activation.) This saves your monster for later use and you gained the satisfaction of annihilating their strongest monster. (Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning usually is the backbone to many decks that use it. Mostly is Warrior-Based decks that can stand to win without it and have a higher deck stability as well.)
Now that the information provided to you about Needle Ceiling allows me to proceed to share some general information and facts about Torrential Tribute.
You can only activate this card
Pretty straight forward on how to understand this card. Like Needle Ceiling and many other Trap cards. They have to meet certain activation requirements first before they can be activated. It's a lot like playing an RPG (Role-Playing Game) where you have to level up a character. You have to meet the certain amount of Experience points required to go to the next level. This applies to many Trap cards in Yu-Gi-Oh! too.
when a monster is Normal Summoned, Flip Summoned or Special Summoned.
This is where one of the big differences between Torrential Tribute and Needle Ceiling. Torrential Tribute requires that a player summons a monster. Doesn't matter how, just to summon a monster. This is great if you have one monster on the field and Snatch Steal one of theirs. You Tribute both those monsters off for Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys and activate Torrential Tribute. Sure. you took three cards total from your deck to get Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys out and then you just destroy everything with Torrential Tribute. The point is that Torrential Tribute can be activated regardless of who summons a monster. You can use it when your opponent has multiple monsters and you summon Sangan. Result, Torrential Tribute is activated and all monsters are destroyed.
Destroy all monsters on the field.
The last portion of Torrential Tribute's effect is what makes it even more different from Needle Ceiling's effect which has the ability to shift from being non-chainable to chainable. (Unlike Torrential Tribute.) Destroying all monsters on the field can be a great impact on both players. Great against swarming decks like Needle Ceiling does. But it has no real card combinations with it. Nothing that really can give it an extra boost of power to say you annihilated their field but kept yours.
Who's to say that Torrential Tribute's effect is easier or harder to activate than Needle Ceiling's? They both are used to destroy multiple monsters and are mostly directed at the opponent only. (Usually are activated when opponent has two or three monsters on average. Just watch yourself play either card and you'll know.) The only power losses that Torrential Tribute would ever get are that it's sought after as a Holo (most of the time) compared to Needle Ceiling's Common Rarity, it's non-chainable nature compared to Needle Ceiling's chainability features, and the fact that it's limited to one compared to Needle Ceiling not being limited at all.
Compare these two cards and think of any discussion you've see, read, or heard about that was being expressed about Book of Moon vs. Enemy Controller. It's much the same agruement here. Please discuss anything that you feel I've missed in this article. (I am sure I've missed something...)
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Author: Tkwiget
Origin: Duelist Underground
Card # PGD-045
Card Name Needle Ceiling
Card Type Trap
Is Counter No
Is Continuous No
Card Text
You can activate this card only when there are 4 or more monsters on the field. Destroy all face-up monsters on the field.
Card # LON-EN025
Card Name Torrential Tribute
Card Type Trap
Is Counter No
Is Continuous No
Card Text
You can only activate this card when a monster is Normal Summoned, Flip Summoned or Special Summoned. Destroy all monsters on the field.
Note: I have no intension of bashing either one of these cards or any other cards that I mention in this article. It is simply to share generalized facts and information about Needle Ceiling and Torrential Tribute. Discussion will be allowed and is encouraged in this thread to be taken place.
Note#2: I will share as many note worthy strengths and weaknesses of Needle Ceiling and Torrential Tribute. I will help try to draw a new approach to deck building for some of you with the information provided in this article.
Lets first break down the contents of these cards and give information about each card. First I will begin this article with breaking down Needle Ceiling's effect piece by piece to better allow the community to understand it in case of any misconception or confusion that it might cause.
You can activate this card only
Fairly easy to understand. It is a commonly seen wording in Trap cards to have activations that are required to have certain conditions met in order to activate the card. Usually it's followed up by the later text of which the activation's requirement is.
when there are 4 or more monsters on the field.
This part of the first sentence is where the actual requirement is being said. Four or more monsters. That might seem a lot. But that covers both fields. Using cards such a Scapegoat or Ojama Trio (or Token producing cards) can help meet this card's activation requirements. It has flexibility and it is considered to be a non-chainable card because of the period of which it can't chain to other cards. Needle Ceiling has one superior ability over Torrential Tribute in this aspect. It can be activated in response to not only a summoning like Torrential Tribute but to card activations like Mystical Space Typhoon, Heavy Storm, Harpie's Feather Duster, etc. Also this card can be activated in response to a monster declaring an attack. It will then proceed to destroying monsters.
Destroy all face-up monsters on the field.
This is the interesting part of Needle Ceiling's effect that gives it an additional twist over Torrential Tribute. It will destroy all face-up monsters. This can help if you got monsters from Cyber Jar's effect and placed them all face down. This can help further instigate a destructive tactic on your opponent. Having one or several monsters face down from Cyber Jar and then they attack can result in you activating Needle Ceiling and "nuking" all of their monsters before they have a chance to do something else. There are a whole assortment of monsters to use in this tactic with along with a large assortment of decks to use it with and against. It works greatly against swarm decks such a Warrior, Zombie, and Gravekeeper-Based and annihilates Burn decks. Since those for deck types require unbelievable field stability, they will most likely fall to a single Needle Ceiling. Naturally this applies to Torrential Tribute as well, but I'll get into that later.
Since Needle Ceiling's effect allows it to shift from non-chainable to chainable. This gives it uses that Torrential Tribute can't ever get. Breathing down a couple Mataza the Zapper with the opponent having two The A. Forces on the field is a rough thing to swallow. 2100 attack isn't anything to laugh it when it's Mataza the Zapper. You can't take it over so you might as well destroy it as quickly as possible. Activating Scapegoat will result in a Recall and then one Mataza the Zapper will destroy two Tokens. The other will declare an attack and that's where Needle Ceiling is activated in response to that declared attack. Resulting in both of those Mataza the Zapper to be destroyed along with your last two remaining Sheep Tokens. A very interesting tactic to use against many decks of various types and designs.
If you're opponent uses fusion monsters such as Thousand-Eyes Restrict and declares to activate the effect, you may and can activate Needle Ceiling to that monster effect and destroy Thousand-Eyes Restrict before it has the chance to resolve its effect. Not only will it be destroyed, but its target will be as well.
Also in terms of going against Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning. Most likely the field will be a lot like this. You having two or three monsters. Opponent has one or two monsters. At this point the chances of getting Needle Ceiling to activate in response to anything that Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning does. No not even priority will let its Remove From Play effect work. This is how. They activate that effect, as we well know you can chain cards to monster effects that declare activation. (Much like Trigger, Igition, and Multi-Trigger effects.) This means that Needle Ceiling will destroy Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning and its target before Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning's effect will resolve completely. (Note: You do not activate Needle Ceiling in response to Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning's summoning, just Remove From Play effect activation.) This saves your monster for later use and you gained the satisfaction of annihilating their strongest monster. (Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning usually is the backbone to many decks that use it. Mostly is Warrior-Based decks that can stand to win without it and have a higher deck stability as well.)
Now that the information provided to you about Needle Ceiling allows me to proceed to share some general information and facts about Torrential Tribute.
You can only activate this card
Pretty straight forward on how to understand this card. Like Needle Ceiling and many other Trap cards. They have to meet certain activation requirements first before they can be activated. It's a lot like playing an RPG (Role-Playing Game) where you have to level up a character. You have to meet the certain amount of Experience points required to go to the next level. This applies to many Trap cards in Yu-Gi-Oh! too.
when a monster is Normal Summoned, Flip Summoned or Special Summoned.
This is where one of the big differences between Torrential Tribute and Needle Ceiling. Torrential Tribute requires that a player summons a monster. Doesn't matter how, just to summon a monster. This is great if you have one monster on the field and Snatch Steal one of theirs. You Tribute both those monsters off for Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys and activate Torrential Tribute. Sure. you took three cards total from your deck to get Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys out and then you just destroy everything with Torrential Tribute. The point is that Torrential Tribute can be activated regardless of who summons a monster. You can use it when your opponent has multiple monsters and you summon Sangan. Result, Torrential Tribute is activated and all monsters are destroyed.
Destroy all monsters on the field.
The last portion of Torrential Tribute's effect is what makes it even more different from Needle Ceiling's effect which has the ability to shift from being non-chainable to chainable. (Unlike Torrential Tribute.) Destroying all monsters on the field can be a great impact on both players. Great against swarming decks like Needle Ceiling does. But it has no real card combinations with it. Nothing that really can give it an extra boost of power to say you annihilated their field but kept yours.
Who's to say that Torrential Tribute's effect is easier or harder to activate than Needle Ceiling's? They both are used to destroy multiple monsters and are mostly directed at the opponent only. (Usually are activated when opponent has two or three monsters on average. Just watch yourself play either card and you'll know.) The only power losses that Torrential Tribute would ever get are that it's sought after as a Holo (most of the time) compared to Needle Ceiling's Common Rarity, it's non-chainable nature compared to Needle Ceiling's chainability features, and the fact that it's limited to one compared to Needle Ceiling not being limited at all.
Compare these two cards and think of any discussion you've see, read, or heard about that was being expressed about Book of Moon vs. Enemy Controller. It's much the same agruement here. Please discuss anything that you feel I've missed in this article. (I am sure I've missed something...)
All Copyrights Reserved to the Tkwiget Inc.