Cosmic Horror Gangi'el

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CraniumX

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I'm surprised this question hasn't been asked yet, it came up a few times at the pre-release Saturday, and maybe noone just thought much about it until now.

The card states "Once per turn you can place 1 A-counter on a monster on your opponent's side of the field." Alien Grey states to place a counter on a face-up monster, however. What makes this so important is Brainwashing Beam, which steals a monster with an A-Counter on it.

Given what we know about face-down monsters and targetting with continuous effects though, is Gangi'el's text correct, and you can indeed place a counter on a face-down monster, then possibly steal it with Brainwashing Beam, similar to what you could do wiht Change of Heart? Or would it only be able to place the counter on a face-up creature?
 
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my only observation is : the card recieving the alien counter does not use it....
other cards can target a card with an a counter with their effects.... so why not put a counter on a face down?
 
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Well, just reading the Judge-Yu forum, looks like Curtis sent an answer that you cannot put the counters on a face-down like most of us originally thought.
I really do wish they'd just keep one wording 'format' with the same cards from each set though, I'm sure there would've been much less confusion if it were worded the same way as Alien Grey, but eh, nobody's perfect.


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Cosmic Horror Gangi'el

Can you place the A-counter on a face down monster?


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Answer:

You cannot.

In the Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG, face-down cards do not gain counters. And when a card is flipped face-down, any counters it had are lost.

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masterwoo0 said:
There is too much thought being put into this simple Mechanic.

If they changed Monster Reborn to say, "Select 1 card from you or your opponent's Graveyard and Special Summon it to your side of the field", would you be trying to return a Spell or Trap Card over the obvious monster that SHOULD be selected? And, if there were no monsters in either player's Graveyard, would the argument then be that it only said "card" on the text, and again, we all know that it only applies to monsters....
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But wait ... isn't that what the huge Kycoo/Bazoo/Skull Lair fiasco caused?

The card type, in my view, is absolutely essential in the text, as is the triggering conditions.

If an effect requires a card to be "destroyed" AND "sent to the Graveyard" specifically, in order for the effect to activate... i think it should definately be stated explicitly.

The Counter issue is actually best handled in a rule (or mechanic) either in the Rulebook or the Official Site. If by chance an effect could place Counters on face-down cards (which, there is no real reason why they couldn't), then the text should specify that.
 
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novastar said:
But wait ... isn't that what the huge Kycoo/Bazoo/Skull Lair fiasco caused?
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What I was trying to establish is, if you have a card called , "Monster Reborn", what card would you, using common sense of course, reasonably assume that it is targeting in the Graveyard?

If they have to put "monster" on the text instead of "card" it is only because of people who try to take advantage of the fact that "card" does not specifically mean "monster", but I can probably safely say that if you handed Monster Reborn to a kid who has never played the game before, but has seen it played, and asked them what they thought it did just by reading the text, they would probably associate it with returning a monster to the field.
 
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but I can probably safely say that if you handed Monster Reborn to a kid who has never played the game before, but has seen it played, and asked them what they thought it did just by reading the text, they would probably associate it with returning a monster to the field.
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Ok, as an initial thought from the kid yeah, based on the Card Name, i would seem likely that you would be right.

However, once realizing that Spell/Trap Cards could be "Monster Cards" as well, there would definately be questions. Granted [Monster Reborn] is among the most obvious, but i'm glad consistancy prevailed here, and they still include the Card Type in the text.
 
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Just an A-Counter placer. The definition of an "Alien" monster is a monster with "Alien" in its card name, just like how a "Destiny Hero" monster is a monster with "Destiny Hero" in its card name. Cosmic Horror Gangi'el does not have "Alien" in its card name, therefore it is not an "Alien" monster.

The number of times I've heard people getting confused by this is astounding. Makes you wonder why they changed the wording.
 
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Maruno said:
Just an A-Counter placer. The definition of an "Alien" monster is a monster with "Alien" in its card name, just like how a "Destiny Hero" monster is a monster with "Destiny Hero" in its card name. Cosmic Horror Gangi'el does not have "Alien" in its card name, therefore it is not an "Alien" monster.

The number of times I've heard people getting confused by this is astounding. Makes you wonder why they changed the wording.
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Thanks...I figured as much...if the Horror was an Alien...well....that would just be cosmic!!
 
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