Creator VS End of Anubis

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Xeno

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Dear all,

This came up today when I was playing with some friends.

If I summoned The Creator to the field, my opponent activated Call of the Haunted and summoned The End of Anubis from the graveyard. Now, after discussing it we realised we weren't sure at all if The Creator's effect is considered a cost or not and therefore, whether his revival effect is allowed with End of Anubis on the field.

If anyone has come across this, or knows what is supposed to happe I'd be grateful is they could enlighten me!

thanks.
 
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With The Creator, the monster is selected first, then a card is discarded, but it is not a cost. You could call it, "Trading one card for another".

Chaining Call of the Haunted to the Creators effect and summoning End of Anubis would prevent The Creator's effect from properly resolving. as he would be unable to return a monster from the Graveyard.
 
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:x Cruel fate, why do you mock me? That is so annoying. Maybe when he's not looking I'll add in pencil "this card cannot affect the Creator" in EoA's description.

Thanks everyone.
 
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Creator targets a card in the graveyard, End of Anubis will stop its effect.

No card will be discarded by Creators effect as it was negated before it resolved
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I guess I have to disagree on that.  Selecting a monster I dont think is the actual "effect" part.  I think the activation starts when the card is discarded.  That to me is the Chainable Event, otherwise, it's not really a chain, but merely activating Call of the Haunted and summoning End of Anubis, which would then "start" a chain.  Maybe Im missing something.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
I guess I have to disagree on that.  Selecting a monster I dont think is the actual "effect" part.  I think the activation starts when the card is discarded.  That to me is the Chainable Event, otherwise, it's not really a chain, but merely activating Call of the Haunted and summoning End of Anubis, which would then "start" a chain.  Maybe Im missing something.
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I dunno, I mean his effect starts with selecting a monster in the graveyard so I would assume that's the first step in the chain? Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not sure.
 
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I see your point, masterwoo0. But The Creator has become an exception:

"¢ Sending 1 card from your hand to the Graveyard is not a cost to activate the effect of "The Creator". It is part of the effect.

When the card effect is activated, only the monster is selected. A monster effect has been activated, then chaining is possible.
 
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It's not so much the exception. But you do declare the target during activation so if "Call of the Haunted" is chained to that so that "End of Anubis" is brought back to the field, the effect will be negated. Discarding the card is just part of the resolution. This was done to prevent you from discarding a card during the cost and then special summoning that card back during the resolution.
 
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Maester Bacman said:
I see your point, masterwoo0. But The Creator has become an exception:

"¢ Sending 1 card from your hand to the Graveyard is not a cost to activate the effect of "The Creator". It is part of the effect.

When the card effect is activated, only the monster is selected. A monster effect has been activated, then chaining is possible.
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errr

i beg your pardon but

bishop just changed this rule as i saw in this very same page

look

29 Nov 2004 (between 1250 and 1320 CST)

The following ruling for Divine Wrath changed to
You can chain "Divine Wrath" to the effect of "The Creator" (Cost Effect), "Fox Fire" when it is Special Summoned (Trigger Effect), or "Homunculus the Alchemic Being" (Cost Effect).
The old ruling is no longer accurate:
You can chain "Divine Wrath" to the effect of "The Creator" (Cost Effect), "Fox Fire" when it is Special Summoned (Trigger Effect), "Homunculus the Alchemic Being" (Cost Effect), and monsters like "Element Magician" when it attacks twice.
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so, send a monster to grave is the cost to activate the efct of the creator and not part of the efct anymore

woltarr
 
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woltarr said:
errr

i beg your pardon but

bishop just changed this rule as i saw in this very same page

look

29 Nov 2004 (between 1250 and 1320 CST)

The following ruling for Divine Wrath changed to
You can chain "Divine Wrath" to the effect of "The Creator" (Cost Effect), "Fox Fire" when it is Special Summoned (Trigger Effect), or "Homunculus the Alchemic Being" (Cost Effect).
The old ruling is no longer accurate:
You can chain "Divine Wrath" to the effect of "The Creator" (Cost Effect), "Fox Fire" when it is Special Summoned (Trigger Effect), "Homunculus the Alchemic Being" (Cost Effect), and monsters like "Element Magician" when it attacks twice.
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so, send a monster to grave is the cost to activate the efct of the creator and not part of the efct anymore

woltarr
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Woooah hold on a sec... "Homunculus the Alchemic Being" is a Cost effect too. Does it have a cost? No.   

So what makes it a cost to activate Creator?
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
woltarr said:
errr

i beg your pardon but

bishop just changed this rule as i saw in this very same page

look

29 Nov 2004 (between 1250 and 1320 CST)

The following ruling for Divine Wrath changed to
You can chain "Divine Wrath" to the effect of "The Creator" (Cost Effect), "Fox Fire" when it is Special Summoned (Trigger Effect), or "Homunculus the Alchemic Being" (Cost Effect).
The old ruling is no longer accurate:
You can chain "Divine Wrath" to the effect of "The Creator" (Cost Effect), "Fox Fire" when it is Special Summoned (Trigger Effect), "Homunculus the Alchemic Being" (Cost Effect), and monsters like "Element Magician" when it attacks twice.
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so, send a monster to grave is the cost to activate the efct of the creator and not part of the efct anymore

woltarr
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Woooah hold on a sec... "Homunculus the Alchemic Being" is a Cost effect too.    Does it have a cost? No.   

So what makes it a cost to activate Creator?
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discard a card from your hand would be the activation cost

woltarr
 
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Woltarr, if you are going to start quoting rulings, I suggest you look up the rulings on the Card in Question first.

From the Ruling on "The Creator":
"¢ Sending 1 card from your hand to the Graveyard is not a cost to activate the effect of "The Creator". It is part of the effect.

Meaning, discarding is part of the resolution. So if the effect is negated, no card is discarded.

Once again, go read the FAQ at the start of the page for the explanation of Effect Types and how because something is a "Cost Effect" doesn't mean there is a "Cost" to activate the Effect.

- A
 
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