Cyber Jar VS flips

[nkarunatilaka]

Some of my friends were wondering what would occur in the following situation.

Player A has a set Cyber Jar

Player B activates Book of Taiyou to flip the Face Down Cyber Jar face up.

Cyber Jar's effect activates and resolves.

Player B set a Magician of Faith from Cyber Jar's effect.

Now heres the thing; they say that they can flip there Magician of Faith that turn as it was not summoned by the turn player; and that it was summoned by Cyber Jar's effect and not themselves. They gather this from what was posted online at http://www.upperdeckentertainment.com/yugioh/en/faq_advanced.aspx

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Exception #2: You cannot "manually" change the battle position of a monster if it was Summoned or Set that turn by the turn player.[/font][/font]

and this as well

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You CAN change the battle position of a monster "manually" if it was Summoned or Set, but not by the turn player.[/font][/font]

They state that since Cyber Jar is what summoned them, they are allowed to flip-summon them that turn.

Although i ruled otherwise and said that you cannot flip summon a set card(s) from Cyber Jar effect that turn.
They just wanted a second opinion. Any help would help out. thanks all-
neil k.

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

It doesn't matter who controls Cyber Jar.
Each player is to considered to summon their own monsters to their side of the field.

So you cannot flip your Magician of Faith that was summoned by your opponent's Cyber Jar that turn.

But you could use Mind Control to take control of a face-down monsters summoned by Cyber Jar (even by your own Cyber Jar) on your opponent's side of the field, then flip summon it that same turn.

 

[Inuzuka Kiba]

Well, from what I can see......

The Magician of Faith can not be flipped because.....Cyber Jar says that you can pick which way to summon it....Face up attack or face down defense and that would count as the manual change for the turn.

 

[nkarunatilaka]

ok thanx guys.
that goes with what i ruled then.

 

[Tkwiget]

I don't see what the problem is here. Cyber Jar Special Summons the monsters. Just from that part of the effect alone is what makes the monsters unable to Flip Summon that turn.

EDIT: Errr, I mean "is what makes the player unable to change that/those monster(s) position(s) manually."