cyberphoenix gg Call/Premature Burial

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what happens when i have a cyber phoenix in attack and i have a cyberdragon with a call.


can i play mst on the call after the cyber phoenix is destroyed?

would the cyber dragon be destoyed or he will be stay on the field?
 
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the destruction effect of 'Call of the Haunted'/'Premature Burial' does NOT target, 'Cyber Phoenix' won't protect your Machine monster from the destruction by those cards.
 
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durn it! I was looking through the rulings on Call for that, but couldn't find anything. Oh, well, thats what I get for not doublechecking against Premature Burial.
 
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Cropz said:
the destruction effect of 'Call of the Haunted'/'Premature Burial' does NOT target, 'Cyber Phoenix' won't protect your Machine monster from the destruction by those cards.
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The destruction aspect doesnt target, but if the fact that the Equip Card itself is negated, how can it be that the effect of destruction will still activate?

How can you have a portion that is not negated when the whole card is basically "doing nothing"?

Thats like saying that Freed the matchless general can negate the effect of Premature Burial, but he will still be destroyed because the destruction portion of the effect of Premature Burial doesnt target.
 
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I got more questions about Cyber Phoenix.

What about Union Monsters? Say if I equip my face-up ATK position Cyber Phoenix with Heavy Mech Support Platform (Or any machine monsters while Phoenix is out). Is HMSP negated by Cyber Phoenix (Since it's turned into Equip Spell card) or not.

And yeah, I'm kinda lost of Premature/CotH ruling on Cyber Phoenix.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
The destruction aspect doesnt target, but if the fact that the Equip Card itself is negated, how can it be that the effect of destruction will still activate?

How can you have a portion that is not negated when the whole card is basically "doing nothing"?

Thats like saying that Freed the matchless general can negate the effect of Premature Burial, but he will still be destroyed because the destruction portion of the effect of Premature Burial doesnt target.
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The thing is, he didn't specify if 'Cyber Phoenix' was already on the
field when 'Call of the Haunted'/'Premature Burial' was activated :p
IF it was, then the effects of those cards are negated.
 
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Cropz said:
The thing is, he didn't specify if 'Cyber Phoenix' was already on the
field when 'Call of the Haunted'/'Premature Burial' was activated :p
IF it was, then the effects of those cards are negated.
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But would it matter if "Cyber Phoenix" was already on the field before either was activated? Wouldn't "Cyber Phoenix" negate both even if it was Summoned after either had been activated and resolved? Since both will continually target their respective monster?

I think Cropz has been working on his 'tap dancing' skillz....lol.
 
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The thing is, he didn't specify if 'Cyber Phoenix' was already on the
field when 'Call of the Haunted'/'Premature Burial' was activated :p
IF it was, then the effects of those cards are negated.
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What? now I'm more lost...

Someone needs to list the situations with those two card and if Cyber Phoenix was summoned by Premature/CotH, or Phoenix was already there, or Phoenix was summoned after using those cards.
 
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"Cyber Phoenix's" Continuous Effect will not negate cards that have 2 targets, such as "Penguin Soldier" or "Mystic Box".​
Now why would I think that Cyber Phoenix would negate Penguin Soldier when it doesn't even negate Effect Monsters?


Anywho, I'm a little lost myself. Call and Premature are targeting effects. Cyber Phoenix is negating them while he's out. What difference does it make what order they are played in? They are not targeting the monster anymore.
 
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Tiso said:
Actually, that ruling should be more clarified. It should negate Penguin Soldier, if the opponent only chooses 1 target.
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Rulings pret-ty clear....

Cyber Phoenix
Effect Monster (Machine / FIRE / 4 Stars / ATK 1200 / DEF 1600)

While this card is in face-up Attack Position on your side of the field, negate the effects of any Spell or Trap Card that targets 1 Machine-Type monster on your side of the field. When this face-up card on the field attacks or is attacked, and it is destroyed as a result of battle and sent to the Graveyard, you can draw 1 card from your Deck.

I dont see anything about negating Monster Effects....
 
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Could have sworn it was monster effect as well. Anyway, point remainds valid on the Penguin Soldier being a targetting and non-targetting effect for future referrence.
 
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Tiso said:
Could have sworn it was monster effect as well. Anyway, point remainds valid on the Penguin Soldier being a targetting and non-targetting effect for future referrence.
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Er, no. Penguin Soldier always targets, no matter how many cards you choose. A targeting effect can have more then one target, which is what the ruling points out Phoenix negates, but flubbed on with the mention of an Effect Monster.
 
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Tiso said:
Could have sworn it was monster effect as well. Anyway, point remainds valid on the Penguin Soldier being a targetting and non-targetting effect for future referrence.
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You might of got it confused because of the Command Magician ruling... remember that C Magician, specifically says "targets this "1" card"
 
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