cyberphoenix gg Call/Premature Burial
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Your the judge, so I'll trust your word. Cause Cropz said something about Premature/CotH doesn't target and thus it won't negate the 2nd effect of card destruction.
Another thing. Say I used Snatch Steal to take my foe's Cyber Dragon while I have Cyber Phoenix on my side of the field. Then Snatch Steal takes Cyber Dragon but it should negate Snatch Steal's effect of giving my foe's LP right? (Cause it's a machine) Or does the whole thing get negated and I end up giving back Cyber Dragon back to my foe?
Another thing. Say I used Snatch Steal to take my foe's Cyber Dragon while I have Cyber Phoenix on my side of the field. Then Snatch Steal takes Cyber Dragon but it should negate Snatch Steal's effect of giving my foe's LP right? (Cause it's a machine) Or does the whole thing get negated and I end up giving back Cyber Dragon back to my foe?
If you'll read Cropz' 2nd post, he clarifies his answer, AND says the same thing I did.
As for the "Snatch Steal" question, you would NOT be able to target a Machine-Type monster with "Snatch Steal" while "Cyber Phoenix" is in face-up Attack Position. Doing so would cause an infinite loop because the targeted monster would continuously switch back and forth between both sides of the field.
Hope this helps!
As for the "Snatch Steal" question, you would NOT be able to target a Machine-Type monster with "Snatch Steal" while "Cyber Phoenix" is in face-up Attack Position. Doing so would cause an infinite loop because the targeted monster would continuously switch back and forth between both sides of the field.
Hope this helps!
What? He corrected himself?
Okay, then. I THINK this is what's going on.
If I already have Cyber Phoenix on my field. THEN I activate Premature/CotH, I summon a machine monster and THEN the 2nd effect is negated.
But if I already have Premature/CotH activated with the targetted machine monster, and THEN summon Cyber Phoenix, Cyber Phoenix doesn't negate Premature/CotH 2nd effect.
Am I right... I'm so lost. So just tell me straight what's going on.
Okay, then. I THINK this is what's going on.
If I already have Cyber Phoenix on my field. THEN I activate Premature/CotH, I summon a machine monster and THEN the 2nd effect is negated.
But if I already have Premature/CotH activated with the targetted machine monster, and THEN summon Cyber Phoenix, Cyber Phoenix doesn't negate Premature/CotH 2nd effect.
Am I right... I'm so lost. So just tell me straight what's going on.
Exactly.drzero7 said:
It does not matter if "Cyber Phoenix" is on the field before or after "Call of the Haunted" or "Premature Burial" is activated and resolved. The Continuous Effect of "Cyber Phoenix" will negate the effects of both cards.drzero7 said:
Hope this helps!
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
But how is it causing an infinite loop? Once the opponent makes the selection of a Machine Monster, Cyber Phoenix negates the effect of Snatch Steal. There isnt another attempt over and over because the target doesnt change, so he should only need to negate it that one time. What would make Premature Burial and Snatch Steal any different? They are both targeting a Machine Monster on the field?skey23 said:
EmeraldDragon
Bringer of Doom
masterwoo0 said:
Maybe it got misread and they thought it said monster on YOUR side of the field. If it had said that then it would cause an infinite loop.
skey23 said:
It does matter.
if 'Cyber Phoenix' is face-up on the field and 'Premature Burial' is activated, once it resolves it'll attempt to equip the monster and 'Cyber Phoenix' will negate the card's whole effect (and thus, the second effect will never be applied).
if 'Premature Burial' is activated and 'Cyber Phoenix' is later summoned, then it won't do anything to 'Premature Burial'.
Cropz said:
[Re: Big Bang Shot] When "Imperial Order" is active, and you destroy "Big Bang Shot" with "Dust Tornado", the effect of "Big Bang Shot" that would remove the monster from play is NOT applied.
Cyber Phoenix is playing the role of negator just like a mini Imperial Order. When Cyber Phoenix is summoned to the field his effect will negate Premature Burial and thus if Premature Burial is destroyed while Cyber Phoenix is on the field the equipped machine monster will not be destroyed.
EmeraldDragon said:
While this card is in face-up Attack Position on your side of the field, negate the effects of any Spell or Trap Card that targets 1 Machine-Type monster on your side of the field. When this face-up card on the field attacks or is attacked, and it is destroyed as a result of battle and sent to the Graveyard, you can draw 1 card from your Deck.
Doesn't seem misread.
I have Cyber Phoenix in attack position on my side of the field.
I activate Snatch Steal targeting your Jinzo. When Snatch Steal resolves Jinzo would be equipped and move to my side of the field, but now Cyber Phoenix would negate Snatch Steal and thus return Jinzo to you, which would mean Jinzo was no longer on my side of the field so Snatch Steal would stop being negated and Jinzo would return to my side, Cyber Phoenix kicks in and negates snatch steal...
Any more questions?
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
The only person who couldn't activate Snatch Steal on a Machine Monster is the controller of Cyber Phoenix.anthonyj said:
The opponent can target a Machine Monster, and yes, if the controller of Cyber Phoenix attempted to activate snatch steal and target a Machine type monster, as soon as the monster came to his side of the field, the effect would be negated, and cause the loop.
So, specifically, only Cyber Phoenix's controller cannot activate Snatch Steal on a opponents Machine Monster because of the Endless Loop. The opponent CAN activate snatch steal because it will simply be negated if it targets a Machine Monster.
That makes absolutely no sense to me, whatsoever. "Cyber Phoenix" states to negate the EFFECTS (plural) of a Spell or Trap Card that targets 1 Machine-Type Monster on my side of the field.Cropz said:
It doesn't say negate the targeting effects, it says to negate the effects (meaning all of them) of a Spell/Trap that targets.
I'm likening this to "Blade Knight"s effect of negating Flip Effect Monsters effects (plural), even the effects that aren't part of the Flip Effect ("Slate Warrior").
Are you saying that "Premature Burial" and "Call of the Haunted" do not target the monster they are equipped to once they have resolved?
Cropz, please explain.
What about Brain Control or Enemy Controller. (Or even Creature Swap) What if I steal machine monster with those while I have Cyber Phoenix in ATK position? Do those create infinite loops like Snatch Steal?
Yeah, your foe CAN activate Snatch Steal or Saku, etc. but since it's negated, it defeats the purpose
Yeah, your foe CAN activate Snatch Steal or Saku, etc. but since it's negated, it defeats the purpose
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
The monster does not change control until the effect resolves, and again, Creature Swap does not target.
If you were to target a monster on your opponents side of the field, the effect would resolve correctly and would not be negated once the monster is on your side of the field. You would maintain control until the End Phase of the turn.
If your opponent tried to do the same to your while YOU controller Cyber Phoenix, the effect would be negated before the monster changed sides.
If you were to target a monster on your opponents side of the field, the effect would resolve correctly and would not be negated once the monster is on your side of the field. You would maintain control until the End Phase of the turn.
If your opponent tried to do the same to your while YOU controller Cyber Phoenix, the effect would be negated before the monster changed sides.