dark armed dragon

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verifying the conditions under which dark armed dragon can be special summoned.
[info]Dark Armed Dragon

This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by having exactly 3 DARK monsters in your Graveyard. You can removing from play 1 DARK monster in your Graveyard to destroy 1 card on the field.[/info]
1). there are 3 dark monsters in my grave, dark armed can be special summoned from my hand without any aid?

or

2). now that there are 3 darks in the grave, DAD can be SS via effects like flute

if 1 is true:
3). there are 3 darks monsters in my grave, with DAD being one of them. i can special summon him from the grave without any other help?

expected answers:
[spoil2]1). no, that is not how he is special summoned
2). that is how he is special summoned
3). that is not possible[/spoil2]
 
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1) Thats how he gets special summoned, he requires no aid (in fact he cannot be aided, even if there was only 3 darks in your gy).

2) He cannot be summoned by flute, full stop

3) not possible
 
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yeah, i wanted to think it was like cyber dragon in that oh, 3 in grave pop out from hand.

but unlike CyDra, DAD doesn't say

Cyber Dragon
Effect Monster (Machine / LIGHT / 5 Stars / ATK 2100 / DEF 1600)

If your opponent controls a monster and you control no monsters, you can Special Summon this card from your hand.

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so i thought that by having 3 in the grave made it eligible to be special summoned.
 
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Well, I think you got the idea, though. I guess it would've been better for me to liken it to the other "except by" cards.
Ambulance Rescueroid (except by Fusion Summon)
Anteatereatingant (except by sending--tributing, offering, removing)
Armed Dragon LV7 (ecept by the effect of)
Cyber Barrier Dragon (except with--Don't get us going on Toon World again, please)
Felgrand Dragon (except from the Graveyard, and only if--There's a wierd one)
Theinen the Great Sphinx (except by paying)

I don't know why soeme cards (Like Rainbow Dragon) specifically have the text "from your hand" added to them, when most, even newer cards, do not.
 
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i was just hoping that DAD wasn't as disgusting as i thought he was going to be.
lucky for me my friends and i went to the ptdn sneak this past weekend and he gave me his DAD.
now, to abuse armageddon knight and grepher to pile my stuffs into the GY and blast the field.
 
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You could blast the field but hoping that one of the newest tech cards, Transmigratory, isn't played in response to you summoning Dark Armed Dragon. In fact, because of D.A.D, I think even MORE players will main deck or even side Transmigratory to keep a player from special summoning D.A.D.

Player A declares special summon of Dark Armed Dragon
Player B responds by activating Transmigratory and sends two of the three dark monsters back to the deck.

Player A says goodbye to summoning Dark Armed Dragon.

My question- since the conditions no longer exist for the special summoning, my assumption (no jokes here, please!) is that Dark Armed Dragon goes to the graveyard since the conditions no longer exist. Anyone agree?
 
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HorusMaster said:
You could blast the field but hoping that one of the newest tech cards, Transmigratory, isn't played in response to you summoning Dark Armed Dragon. In fact, because of D.A.D, I think even MORE players will main deck or even side Transmigratory to keep a player from special summoning D.A.D.

Player A declares special summon of Dark Armed Dragon
Player B responds by activating Transmigratory and sends two of the three dark monsters back to the deck.

Player A says goodbye to summoning Dark Armed Dragon.

My question- since the conditions no longer exist for the special summoning, my assumption (no jokes here, please!) is that Dark Armed Dragon goes to the graveyard since the conditions no longer exist. Anyone agree?
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"Dark Armed Dragon" would be successfully Special Summoned first, allowing the turn player to call priority, removing a DARK monster in their Graveyard from play to activate the effect of "Dark Armed Dragon" before the opponent can respond to the Summon.

In essence, "The Transmigration Prophecy" will not stop "Dark Armed Dragon" from hitting the field after the turn player declares the Special Summon, but it will certainly help prevent him from destroying more of the field that turn.
 
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btw, we are talking transmigration prophecy here, right?

i'm inclined to agree with lionheart here.
i don't believe DAD uses the chain, so by declaring that i will summon him, and having transmigration activated in response to the declaration will not prevent his summon.

e.g.

tp has an empty field
ntp has only a FD spiritual water art - aoi and a FU def treeborn.
tp declares a special summon of Cyber Dragon
ntp responds with activating water art and tribs treeborn.

cyber dragon is still SS'd to the field and aoi is resolved.
 
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The Special Summoning of Cyber Dragon or Dark Armed Dragon are Conditional effects, they don't "Activate" per se, they just are. You don't declare the Special Summon and wait for an effect to resolve, you just do it, thus Transmigratory is meaningless, here. In that sense, it is similar to a Normal Summon (you don't declare a Normal Summon and wait for it to resolve, you just Normal Summon) The Special Summon (itself) can be negated, but there is no true "activation" that can be negated (I remember reading a post on the old Judge List about this). Otherwise, Horus, you would be better abusing your Ojama Trio, as your opponent would say, "I Activate the effect of Cyber Dragon to Special Summon him to the Field" and you say, "Wait, I chain to that activation and activate Ojama Trio, now you have Monsters on your side of the Field, so Cyber Dragon cannot be Special Summoned." However, it doesn't work that way at all does it? That is what Lionheart was getting at (I think).
 
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Transmigratory is also the adjective form of Transmigrate. Transmigrate being an intransitive verb and Transmigration being a noun. All meaning to move from one place to another, or to migrate.

What? I can Google. :zipped:
 
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