Dark Lucius LV8

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Is Dark Lucius LV8's effect of negating effect monsters destroyed in battle contigent upon being summoned by the effect of LV6?

Will Level Up! work for this card as well?
 
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EmeraldDragon said:
LV 8 does not say anywhere in its text that it cannot be summoned except by the effect of LV6. It simply says it only gets its effect if summoned via LV6s effect.
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Not intending any disrespect but I don't know what card text you're reading. Mine states:

Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8
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This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by the effect of "Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV6". While this card remains face-up on your side of the field, you can negate the activation and effect of any Spell Cards and destroy them.

Sounds pretty clear to me but yet, Level Up can be used with LV6 to summon him. Again, how does the same Level Up not work for Lucius?
 
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Ah i see where youre getting confused horus. i wasnt on about horus i was on about lucius. Ya know the thing this thread is about.

Now with regards to horus and level up if you really wanna know level up disregards the summoning conditions for lv8 and summons him and he gets his effect because his effect isnt reliant on lv6s effect. Dark lucius effect is.
 
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Ok, ladies and gentlemen, lets see if we can't straighten this out, once and for all....
Horus LV8 said:
This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by the effect of "Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV6". While this card remains face-up on your side of the field, you can negate the activation and effect of any Spell Cards and destroy them.
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Dark Lucius LV8 said:
If this card was Special Summoned by the effect of "Dark Lucius LV6", your opponent's monsters that this card destroys by battle are removed from play, and their effects are negated.
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Level Up! said:
Send 1 face-up monster on your side of the field that has "LV" in its card name to the Graveyard to activate this card. Special Summon the monster that is written in the card text of that monster from your hand or Deck, ignoring the Summoning conditions.
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Ok, now that we ALL have the correct text in front of us, lets dissect them, shall we...

1. "Level Up!" can be used to bring out "Horus LV8". That part is not in contention (I hope).

2. Why can it bring out "Horus LV8" when "Horus LV8" is a nomi monster? Because "Level Up!" ignores any summoning conditions, such as nomi-ism. Again, this part we all agree upon, yes?

3. Can "Dark Lucius LV8" be Normal Summoned? Yes. Why? Because it DOES NOT have any kind of Summoning Condition or restriction placed upon it. Will it have it's negation effect? No. Why? Because it was not Special Summoned via the effect of "Dark Lucius LV6".

4. Can "Dark Lucius LV8" be Special Summoned by "Call of the Haunted", "Premature Burial", or "A Hero Emerges"? Yes. Why? Because it DOES NOT have any kind of Summoning condition or restriction placed upon it. Will it have it's negation effect? No. Why? Because it was not Special Summoned via the effect of "Dark Lucius LV6".

5. What does "Level Up!" do? It Special Summons an LV monster. Can it be used to bring out "Dark Lucius LV8"? Yes. Why? Because it DOES NOT have any kind of Summoning condition or restriction placed upon it. Will it have it's negation effect? No. Why? Because it was not Special Summoned via the effect of "Dark Lucius LV6".

"Dark Lucius LV6" and "Dark Lucius LV8" have no Summoning Conditions at all...period. They have EFFECT conditions on them. "Level Up!" does not ignore these EFFECT conditions.

Make sense?

Good.


Hope this helps!
 
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John Danker said:
Yes, the controller can choose, there is a similar ruling for Cross Counter vs Stone Statue of the Aztecs that will allow the turn player to determine who is actually negating the effect when it comes down to that.
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A) No, the ruling doesn't say there's any choice involved:
"¢ If your "Stone Statue of the Aztecs" is defending and you activate "Cross Counter" the Battle Damage your opponent takes is only doubled once (by either the effect of "Cross Counter" or "Stone Statue of the Aztecs").

B)There was a ruling to the opposite (about Piercing monsters equipped with piercing cards, that the monster always wins over the card), but i can't seem to find it. (If still accurate the ruling would suggest that Lucius does the negating, not Dark RUler Ha Des)

C)"¢ [Re: Grave Protector] If "Banisher of the Light" and "Grave Protector" are both active, destroyed monsters are removed from play.
Suggesting that the effect that applies more often takes precedence, (I.e. Dark Ruler Ha Des)
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
A) No, the ruling doesn't say there's any choice involved:
"¢ If your "Stone Statue of the Aztecs" is defending and you activate "Cross Counter" the Battle Damage your opponent takes is only doubled once (by either the effect of "Cross Counter" or "Stone Statue of the Aztecs").
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In my eyes this "suggests" just as much as your point C that it is the player's choice.

I certainly would be interested though in seeing that ruling about piercing battle damage coming from the monster rather than the equip. card should you find it though, that would indeed set a good example, thank you for the input.
 
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Dillie-O said:
hehe, nice to know I'm not the only one questioning this. Have you tried dropping this by the L3's board for some general insights? What are they thinking?
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Try as we might, NO RULING questions are ever answered on the L3 board. Ruling questions are to be directed to the open Judge site and UDE.

doc
 
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Bummer. Though I think John Danker and a few others were going to try to pin down Kevin Tewart and Gen Con this weekend and ask him this and a few other lingering questions that were around. Hopefully we'll get some answers from that. I'm sure John is sleeping in after all that travel 8^D
 
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John Danker said:
In my eyes this "suggests" just as much as your point C that it is the player's choice.

I certainly would be interested though in seeing that ruling about piercing battle damage coming from the monster rather than the equip. card should you find it though, that would indeed set a good example, thank you for the input.
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I would say that it also is a player choice, even though it will happen regardless of the choice made (unless Royal Decree is activated or Skill Drain).
 
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dunno what u lot are on about but i wanted to say that lucius lv 6 wont get its effect to lv up if negated an effect due to ha des since ha des is a continuous effect for fiends, not lucius.

and i do question the fairy meteor crush thing but there must be a good reason sumwhere. what am i saying? this is ude lmao
 
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