Dark Magician of Chaos vs: Ring of destruction

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Javario

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Hey,

If I tribute or special summon my dmoc and as soon as I summon (normal or special), and they ring of destruction my Dark Magician of Chaos do I get my effect? The effect of receiving a magic card from my graveyard, since he was successfully summoned.


I appreciate all replies but I would like to get the attention of a Moderator!

-Javario
 
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Because the text of the card says "you can add 1 spell card from your graveyard to your hand", that is what makes it optional.

Example of the "When you Normal Summon or Special Summon "Dark Magician of Chaos", resolve all other effects in the current chain, then "Dark Magician of Chaos"' effect activates in a new chain as Step 1.":

I activate "Reasoning". My opponent calls "4". After picking up several spell and trap cards, I draw "Dark Magician of Chaos". Since he is special summoned and there are no other effects that follow in this chain that must be resolved. However, the effect of "Reasoning" must finish resolving first so the spell cards that were picked are now sent to the graveyard. Because they are now in the graveyard, they are viable targets for when the effect of "DMoC" starts a new chain.

This is different from chaining "Call of the Haunted" to "Pot of Greed" because there after "Call of the Haunted" resolves (and we pick the DMoC) we have more effects that follow in the chain that need to be resolved. In the "Reasoning" scenario, we are merely completing the ongoing resolution of the chain but there are no further effects that need to be resolved.

Another example that may make it a little clearer (and a little simpler).

I activate "Premature Burial" and choose the "Dark Magician of Chaos". My opponent doesn't chain anything else. What happens?

a) I select DMoC from the graveyard.
b) DMoC is special summoned successfully in face up attack position. His effect activates, but before that can be resolved we must finish resolving "Premature Burial"
c) "Premature Burial" equips itself to DMoC.

Now DMoC's effect starts a new chain.

But as I said because of the word "can" in describing his effect, it does fall under the "optional" category.

- Andrew
 
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Sorry, but I'm still confused.

densetsu_x said:
Because the text of the card says "you can add 1 spell card from your graveyard to your hand", that is what makes it optional.
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OK. DMofC's effect is optional. Got it.

densetsu_x said:
Example of the "When you Normal Summon or Special Summon "Dark Magician of Chaos", resolve all other effects in the current chain, then "Dark Magician of Chaos"' effect activates in a new chain as Step 1."
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To me, this means resolve other effects from the chain that still needs resolving, not just the card effect that special summons DMofC.
One example is the Pot of Greed then chain Call of the Haunted. We agreed that DMofC's effect is optional. Since the last thing that happens is a player drawing 2 cards, so we miss the activation of DMofC's effect. Now, here is where the problem creeps in: resolve all other effects in the current chain, then "Dark Magician of Chaos"' effect activates in a new chain as Step 1.

densetsu_x said:
However, the effect of "Reasoning" must finish resolving first so the spell cards that were picked are now sent to the graveyard. Because they are now in the graveyard, they are viable targets for when the effect of "DMoC" starts a new chain.
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In this scenario, the last thing that happened was cards were sent to the graveyard. Doesn't this conflicts with DMoC's optional effect?
 
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Looking at all the rules governing the DMoC and optional effects... I'll admit... I'm beginning to feel like I'm going around the "XYZ Creature can be special summoned from 'remove from play' rulings" (aka going around in a big circle).

This honestly may be something that should be directed to Kevin to get the "official" explanation of the apparent contradiction.

Well... that and hopefully not get a "Because Konami said so" for an answer.

- A
 
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Originating poster: "Javario"

so to clear up the mess:

Correct me if I'm wrong all; the point of this question is : can I still get my optional effect if I was rung by ring of destrustruction and or destroyed by bottomless trap hole? There are some people who wonder and I beleive I know when I say I can. Am I right?

-Javario

According to an officiating member of innovation gamming I can get my magic/spell card when rung by ring of destruction and or destroyed and removed from play by bottomless trap hole, and even trap hole. Please people who choose to disagree with me, notice what trap hole says: (bottomless too) : the word in question is summon, some people say since it was rung it wasn't successfully summoned, some other people say if you bottomless it it isn't successfully summoned either. But, if it isn't summoned you can't activate bottomless, or trap hole. They both basically say when your opponent summons; so that portion of the equation is gone. What about ring just as the staff says, it doesn't negate the summoning of my monster. It must be face up on a field to be rung by ring. But how can you ring if it isn't face up? How does it get face up by summoning, either through flip (in this case you can't even get an effect because it was flipped summoned. If I tribute summon, key word summon, all other effects must resolve first. Since there is no chain to my summoning by horn of heaven, or grave robber, or even solemn judgement. I choose to receive my spell/magic card from my graveyard. Thankyou for your help room!

-Javario
 
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You would activate the effect of Dark Magician of Chaos upon summoning it. In a chain to that effect, Ring of Destruction, Bottomless Trap Hole, etc. could be activated. Those effects would resolve first. Then the Spell Card retrieval effect would resolve. The end result would be that you would get your Spell Card.
 
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OK, I already wrote about this conflict with the optional Trigger timing to the judge list. Hope there will be a nice answer and not the one that densetsu_x fears. :D

Something that should also be noticed is that Mobius the Frost Monarch has the ruling of the optional Trigger, which is something correct. Then, according to the way we conceive the effect of Dark Magician of Chaos, the same ruling should be applied to it.

Something has to get out of here: A change in the conception of Dark Magician of Chaos or just an a correction in the rulings.
 
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Javario said:
Hey,

If I tribute or special summon my dmoc and as soon as I summon (normal or special), and they ring of destruction my Dark Magician of Chaos do I get my effect? The effect of receiving a magic card from my graveyard, since he was successfully summoned.


I appreciate all replies but I would like to get the attention of a Moderator!

-Javario
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:boxing:when you summon a face up monster or special summon a monster you can chain with the effect doesn't matter if it's destroyed :boom:
 
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