Dark Magician of Chaos.

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Is the effect of "Dark Magician of Chaos" Optional??


Based on the card text, it appears so.

"When this card is Normal Summoned or Special Summoned successfully, you can add 1 Spell Card from your Graveyard to your hand. A monster that is destroyed by this monster as a result of battle is removed from play instead of going to the Graveyard. When this card is destroyed or removed from the field, it is removed from play."

But, if we go by the rule, it appears to be mandatory"¦.


When you Normal Summon or Special Summon "Dark Magician of Chaos", resolve all other effects in the current chain, then "Dark Magician of Chaos"' effect activates in a new chain as Step 1.

Isn't there a time issue with the activation of "Dark Magician of Chaos"'s effect ???
 
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The effect of "Mobius the Frost Monarch" is optional, by the card text AND by the rule.

Card Text:
When this card is Tribute Summoned successfully, you can destroy up to 2 Spell or Trap Cards on the field.


Rule:
If "Mobius the Frost Monarch" is Tribute Summoned by the effect of "Ultimate Offering" in the middle of a chain (and is not the last step of the chain to resolve), then you have missed the timing on his effect and you cannot activate his effect to destroy 2 Spell or Trap Cards.

As far as I can see, it is the same case as "Dark Magician of Chaos", which leads me to think that either the rule is incorrect or that someone in Upperdeck/Konami is kind of ["...."] lets say slow on logic.
 
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All Optional Triggers are optional activations not optional resolution.

DMoC is ruled as an Optional Trigger, so you would first choose whether you are going to activate first, then you target and the effect is considered played (creates a Chain Link).

In the case of EVERY single Optional Trigger, it is a choice to activate, and if you choose not to, there is no Chain Link created.

This is a case of reading to much into the ruling, they are simply stating that it Triggers in a new chain. This is not to be confused with whether it is an Optional Trigger or not.

Hope that helps
 
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novastar said:
All Optional Triggers are optional activations not optional resolution.

DMoC is ruled as an Optional Trigger, so you would first choose whether you are going to activate first, then you target and the effect is considered played (creates a Chain Link).

In the case of EVERY single Optional Trigger, it is a choice to activate, and if you choose not to, there is no Chain Link created.

This is a case of reading to much into the ruling, they are simply stating that it Triggers in a new chain. This is not to be confused with whether it is an Optional Trigger or not.

Hope that helps
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Not really. Please look at my post above found here and correct it if there is a mistake. Thanks.
 
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Raigeki[/ycard]ck]Not really. Please look at my post above found here and correct it if there is a mistake. Thanks.
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Its fine (for the most part).

Both Peten and DMoC or Optional Triggers and must be placed in a Response Chain in response to the action/event that triggers the effect. If the last action/event is not the trigger then you cannot activate it. They are like Multi-Triggers in that they must (in general) directly respond to the event, otherwise timing is missed.

So in both of your scenarios the timing was missed.

The problem with THIS particular ruling for DMoC is that UDE didn't even know that DMoC was an Optional Trigger until it was brought to their attention by a couple people on the List.

So it might be left over from the days when they originally thought it was mandatory.
 
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Since obviously it would be hard for anybody there to notice the word "can". :) This has been an issue on the "optional effects" list ever since this ruling was first posted. Obviously if the last thing that happened was DMOC being summoned to the field the effect would start a new chain because there wouldn't be anything left to resolve of the last one. That is what is frustrating about "optional effect" rulings. There needs to be consistency.
 
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oh oh oh, maybe anthonyj is correct.

maybe the effect only works in this scenario.

Premature target DMOC, opponent plays mst, you play Magic Jammer.

at the end of it all, you decide to use DMOC's effect which at this point it would be chain #2 and then you can Devine wrath the sucker. :D

okay, maybe this is what that specific rule is talking about.
 
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novastar said:
The problem with THIS particular ruling for DMoC is that UDE didn't even know that DMoC was an Optional Trigger until it was brought to their attention by a couple people on the List.

So it might be left over from the days when they originally thought it was mandatory.
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And you are quite correct about that. Curtis addessed that ... um... I think it was on the mailing list... and said that that ruling came about since that's how they believed it worked, but ever since the correct way to play it is as an "optional" effect. They just never got around to updating that particular ruling (like how another ruling has "King Tiger Wanghu" listed as a continuous effect when it is a trigger effect instead. The ruling was changed and given notice to on the mailing list, but I'm not sure if they updated the actual FAQ page yet). So that part about it starting a new chain after the current one resolves would not be correct.
 
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Isn't there a way to bring this to their attention, after all we are customers and should claim some quality of service.

The least they should offer is consistency in the rules.
 
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densetsu_x said:
And you are quite correct about that. Curtis addessed that ... um... I think it was on the mailing list... and said that that ruling came about since that's how they believed it worked, but ever since the correct way to play it is as an "optional" effect. They just never got around to updating that particular ruling (like how another ruling has "King Tiger Wanghu" listed as a continuous effect when it is a trigger effect instead. The ruling was changed and given notice to on the mailing list, but I'm not sure if they updated the actual FAQ page yet). So that part about it starting a new chain after the current one resolves would not be correct.
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The main difference between this and King Tiger/Mysterious Puppeteer is that DMoC was always an Optional Trigger, they (UDE) just didn't know it.

King Tiger has actually always been Continuous, and they recently changed the effect itself, so naturally there would be some left over rulings from the passed.
 
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