Dark World Monsters

[krishna]

I don't know if this has been asked before, but it's something that has bugged me for a long time.

I know that Dark World monsters are not "Optional" but, just when exactly do you activate or resolve their effect?

For instance, if they are discarded in the middle of a chain, would one get special summoned to the field directly after being discarded, or would you have to wait for the chain to be resolved completely before doing so?

 

[HorusMaster]

Doesn't matter who the controller of Morphing Jar is when it is flipped.
This is because after discarding you draw five cards.
Bottomless Trap Hole misses the timing to be activated, but the Dark Worlds will get to be summoned on thier discard, and they get their second effect if the ignition conditions are met.

Hate to burst your bubble but you can't activate the effects of Dark World monsters in the middle of a resolving effect. Morphing Jar flips, cards are discarded and then 5 cards are drawn. After that, the effects of the Dark World monsters activate seperately due to their individual effect and form their own chain, each one forming it's own link in the chain. Bottomless Traphole doesn't miss the timing but it can only be used to remove from play the last card summoned to the field if the controller of the Dark World monsters is the same one manually flipping Morphing Jar. If Morphing Jar is flipped because of attack or your opponent's card effect, then Bottomless Traphole misses it's timing because the last thing to resolve in the chain is the effect of the Dark World monster, not the summoning.

 

[Digital Jedi]

I prefer not to use the phrase "missing the timing" when referring to anything else but an Optional Trigger Effects. In Bottomless' case, we're talking about more about activation conditions, not timing. In any case, it is true that Bottomless can't be activated if the last thing to happen in a chain is not a summon.

Also true is the fact that Monsters summoned by Cyber Jar are summoned simultaneously. Dark Worlders discarded at the same time, still activate and resolve separately. (I dont think anyone suggested that they activate and resolve in the middle of a chain.) So Bottomless would work differently in each situation.

Also, the situation is only relevant when dealing with a Morphing Jar flipped by an effect or manually, since we'd never be able to activate it during the Damage Step.

 

[Dillie-O]

Just as a quick refresher, don't forget you have three distinct attributes to playing a spell/trap/effect card.

1) Trigger. This is when the conditions for the effect are met. I may discard Night Assailant for Monster Recovery, but I don't get to use the effect yet, especially if multiple cards go on the chain.

2) Activation. This is when the effect "begins". You pay any costs required for the activation of the effect immediately. Just like triggers, just because the effect activates, doesn't mean you get to use the effect yet, your opponent has the ability to chain to this activation.

3) Resolution. Ahhh, we FINALLY get to do what the heck the effect says to do on the card. We attempt to resolve the effect and depending on what the effect actually does, we typically wind up a) resolving the effect (returning a flip effect monster from the graveyard to the hand b) negating the effect (via Skill Drain) c) not resolving the effect (the targeted card was removed from play so it can't be revivied d) partially resolving the effect (slightly more complicated issue) or e) resoliving the effect without an action (slightly more complicated issue as well)

Dark World monsters are a great study in setting up this mechanic, because they can trigger at the start of a card resolution (Morphing Jar flip) and then have several outcomes depending on what happens by the time you go to actually resolve their effects, AND in what order.

Lesson to be learned, after a Morphing Jar flip will multiple monsters, make sure your Brron or other DW "non summoning" effect goes first on your chain. Since it'll be the last effect to resolve, they won't be able to stop the special summoning of the more potent ones 8^D