Dark World vs. Dark World

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Dr Sin

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This time it's about two players playing DW decks. Situation:

P1 has Sillva, Goldd and Card Destruction. P2 has Goldd in hand. Both have nothing else on the field and in yhe hands.

P1 activates CD. Now, his 2 DW will be link 1 and 2 in the resolution of the effect (depending the order he chooses) and P2 Goldd will be link 3 (and will not be able to destroy anything, since there will be no monster on the op field by the time it resolves)? Or P1 chooses 1 to be link 1, P2 is link 2, and the other P1 is link 3?
It's a strange SEGOC situation, since lots of mandatory effects are happening at the same time.

Thanks in advance
 
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I think it should be a case of P1 is the turn player, so their monster effects go on as Step 1 of the chain, with him/her choosing in which order they want their monsters' effects to resolve, and P2 will be Step 2 of the chain.

Thus, P2's monster effect (Goldd in this case), should resolve first, being summoned to the field and destroying nothing, and then P1's DW monsters would be summoned to the field, and nothing else will happen (since it was P1's Card Destruction that brought sent them to the Graveyard).
 
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erm... I think you're wrong. I think Player 1's Golld will be Special Summoned first, after Card Destruction has resolved, and P2's Golld will destroy the Golld of P1. But it is indeed confusing. Soulwarrior or John Danker, can you help us out?
 
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All monsters go to the Graveyard at the same time.

Starting over... Hard to keep track with a Paragraph

Player 1 has Sillva, Warlord of Dark World, Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark World, and Card Destruction.

Player 2 has Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark World.

Player 1 activates Card Destruction, sending all cards in both player's hand to the Graveyard.

RESOLVE
(Turn Player is chain link 1 when resolving mandatory effects, so that means Player 2 is chain link 2 and resolves first.)

Player 2 Special Summons Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark World to the field, and his second effect attempts to resolve, but there are no cards to destroy, so the effect Disappear's.

Player 1 Special Summons both Sillva, Warlord of Dark World and Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark World at same time as both monsters were sent by controller's effect, and can only resolve Special Summon.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
All monsters go to the Graveyard at the same time.

Starting over... Hard to keep track with a Paragraph

Player 1 has Sillva, Warlord of Dark World, Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark World, and Card Destruction.

Player 2 has Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark World.

Player 1 activates Card Destruction, sending all cards in both player's hand to the Graveyard.

RESOLVE
(Turn Player is chain link 1 when resolving mandatory effects, so that means Player 2 is chain link 2 and resolves first.)

Player 2 Special Summons Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark World to the field, and his second effect attempts to resolve, but there are no cards to destroy, so the effect Disappear's.

Player 1 Special Summons both Sillva, Warlord of Dark World and Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark World at same time as both monsters were sent by controller's effect, and can only resolve Special Summon.
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I thought that it would be like this:

Activation
Chain Link 1: Turn Player Goldd or Sillva
Chain Link 2: Non-turn player Goldd
Chain Link 3: Turn Player remaining Goldd or Sillva
 
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So, let's say P1 has 5 DW monsters (3 Goldd and 2 Sillvas, just to abuse), he plays CD. Their 5 DW will be link 1 and opponent's eventual DW will be link 2. Is this correct? If payer 2 activates BTH by the time 5 DW were summoned by player 1, all of them will be removed then, right?
Thanks.
 
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Player 1's monsters would all be removed.

As far as the other situation with Player 1's Goldd and Sillva, the only effect that triggers is the Special Summon, so there is no need to put either of them on a chain link to each other.

Cyber Jar and Bottomless Trap Hole prove that monsters CAN be simultaneously summoned together.
 
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There also seems to be 1 thing everybody is overlooking..."Card Destruction" MUST resolve 1st before the SEGOC chain can be formed. So, P1 will end up with 2 cards in hand and P2 will end up with 1 card in hand BEFORE the SEGOC chain forms.

Ok, here's the deal the SEGOC chain will be formed as follows:

P1 in Link 1 and Link 2, as they have 2 mandatory effects, and they choose the order to resolve them in.
P2 in Link 3.

Resolve in reverse order, but, here's the tricky part. From what I can tell, since BOTH effects of the Dark World monsters activate in the Graveyard as a single effect, all targets of the 2nd effect of the Dark World monsters would be chosen at time of activation, BEFORE the monster is Special Summoned.

P2's "Goldd" will NOT be able to destroy any cards on the field since there aren't any, but will still be Special Summoned.
P1's "Goldd" and "Sillva" will be Special Summoned as normal since it was P1's effect that discarded them.

Hope this helps!
 
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Dr Sin said:
So, let's say P1 has 5 DW monsters (3 Goldd and 2 Sillvas, just to abuse), he plays CD. Their 5 DW will be link 1 and opponent's eventual DW will be link 2. Is this correct? If payer 2 activates BTH by the time 5 DW were summoned by player 1, all of them will be removed then, right?
Thanks.
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The SEGOC chain would be P1 is Links 1-5 and P2 is Link 6. Remember, they are all SEPARATE EFFECTS activating at the same time, hence the term SEGOC. They will form individual chain links. To answer your question, only the last monster Special Summoned would be removed from play by "Bottomless Trap Hole" as per the rulings:
If the opponent activates "Monster Reborn" and then chains "Call of the Haunted" (so that 2 monsters are Summoned in the same chain), and then you activate "Bottomless Trap Hole" after that chain resolves only the monster Summoned by chain link 1 ("Monster Reborn") is removed from play.
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Hope this helps!
 
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BenjaminMS said:
This can't be....
Example: Player 1 summons a 1500> monster (this is from the judgeslist an example), Player 2 reacts with BTH, Player 2 chains CotH to call Dark Magician I thought, both Dark Magician and the 1500> monster are RFG-ed.

This is to disprove Skey's point BTW.
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In Skey's example Call is chained to Monster Reborn so only Link 1 is removed.
In Benjamin Call is chainde to BTH therfore it would resolve first. The monster would be removed. BTH would then remove the oringinal monsetr it was trying to remove
 
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