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crh1985

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This is the stupidest question i will ever ask in my life... i think,

if i put a monster in fast-down attack with Darkness Approaches can i attack with it, and if so what happens, and if i have to flip it hase up do i have to put it into face-up def mode??
 
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You can only attack with a face-up attack position monster. If it gets flipped, it's going to stay in attack position. It still counts a Flip Summon if you do it manually, and you if it's attacked you calculate damage as you would with any other attack position monster.
 
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crh1985 said:
This is the stupidest question i will ever ask in my life... i think,

if i put a monster in fast-down attack with Darkness Approaches can i attack with it, and if so what happens, and if i have to flip it hase up do i have to put it into face-up def mode??
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Like Jedi stated, you can only attack in face-up attack position or if a card effect allows you to attack in face up defense position. You cannot put a card in face down attack position, only face down defense position. If a card is in attack position, it must be face up.
 
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Yeah. Stoopid card. Any idea why they made a card to do such a thing? I mean, there are NO other cards that give you a benefit from having a face-down Attack Position monster. It's just this strange anomaly out there on it's own... *sigh* :huh
 
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Every game has that one card that acts "funny'. One day, maybe when the Cookie Slayers is going full blast, we'll figure out what it's really good for.
 
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are we sure this is right? Over a year ago I asked this question, the answer I got was completly differant.

-You may attack with a face down attack position monster.
-You flip it face up as you enter the damage step as you would a monster you attack in face down defense, in order to complare atk/def
-If the monster you attacked with has a flip effect, it is applied in the flip effect substep of the damage step like any other monster

I don't remember who I asked this question to, but I know it was high up, either a level 3 judge or the judge list itself (getting a personal reply from curtis)
 
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exiledforcefreak said:
are we sure this is right? Over a year ago I asked this question, the answer I got was completly differant.

-You may attack with a face up attack position monster.
-You flip it face up as you enter the damage step as you would a monster you attack in face down defense, in order to complare atk/def
-If the monster you attacked with has a flip effect, it is applied in the flip effect substep of the damage step like any other monster

I don't remember who I asked this question to, but I know it was high up, either a level 3 judge ot the judge list itself (getting a personal reply from curtis)
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I don't see anything different what was already stated. :?
 
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didn't someone state earlier that the face down attack position monster couldn't attack?

the one thing I did forget regarding this situation is whether or not i can switch the face down attack position monster to defense mode... and if i can, does it flip face up when I do?
 
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A face-down monster cannot attack no matter what position he's in. There's no way to determing damage because the ATK and DEF are undefined until it's face-up. And your original post said that a face-up attack position monster can attack... which it can, so...
 
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There's no reason you wouldn't be able to change the position of a face-down monster, and there' no reason it would flip if you did. I think the problem we're running into is people are trying to reverse the mechanics of a Flip Summon, when all that's really happened is a monster is face-down and vertical. That doesn't change the mechanics behind attacks, Flip Summons or battle position changes.
 
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my mistake, i fixed it to say face down.

a monster being face down for damage calculation is irrelivent to this conversation in my eye. After all, we attack face down monsters all the time, we simply flip them face up in damage calculation in order to compare their atk/def values :rolleyes
 
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why not? simply because it's possible people are confusing not being able to attack with defense position monsters with not being able to attack with face down monsters?

I'm not saying I'm right, I'm not saying I'm wrong. All i'm saying is that both are possibilities and we need an athority.
 
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If you were to attack with a face-down attack position monster, at what point would you determine the ATK value of the monster?

I don't think this one needs an authority. Face-down monsters can't attack, regardless of position. We already have a mechanic for attacking, and it's always been face-up attack position. Never just "attack position" with the "face" value left open. There's no reason this one card would change that.
 
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