Demise OTK?

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Jathro

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Apparently there's a version of a Demise OTK that's doing well in Asian tournaments lately. I don't know all of the details, except that it uses the following as key cards:
Demise, King of Armageddon
Advanced Ritual Art
Elemental Hero Sparkman
Elemental Hero Clayman
Miracle Fusion
Metamorphosis
Elemental Hero Thunder Giant
Cyber Twin Dragon

From my understanding, you use Advanced Ritual Art to send Sparkman and Clayman to the Graveyard, and Miracle Fusion to bring out Thunder Giant. Metamorphosis a Demise into Cyber Twin and 2800+2800+2400=8000

Also, I've seen a variation that uses:
Neo Bug
Insect Knight
Doom Dozer

instead of the E-Hero stuff. Again, 2800+2800+2800=8400

Anyone able to confirm the success of these decks overseas, or know of any good suggestions to run this properly as a quick OTK?

Thanks.
 
I've been able to pull off a double "Advanced Ritual Art" to bring out 2 "Demises", and "Metamorphosis" one into "Cyber-Twin Dragon" for game a few times.
 
Oh my God I love this deck <3.

After reading your post I've been test-playing it (with proxies of course..), and me and my poor English can't tell you how much this deck rocked. It's way easier than it seems to get out Advanced Ritual Art, Miracle Fusion and Metamorphosis (btw, the first choice seems better than the insectic one).

Moreover, with Manjus to get ARA.. Maybe some Time Capsules to be sure to hold the right cards at the right moment for an OTK.

Whatever, you've got to try it in order to like it.
 
NICE FREAKING IDEA~! I have a Demise Deck, and the 2x Meta helps alot (Yes, I do the Demise + Meta combo) but I still need a push from 5600ATK to 8000ATK. (i.e. it lacks the Last Will = Mataza combo from the last format) This will definately be a good replacement. The only OTK combo in my current demise Deck usually needed that 1x Premature Burial (To get BEWD out) But 3x Doom Dozer or 3x Miracle Fusion is definately higher rate of chance.
 
After reading your post I've been test-playing it (with proxies of course..), and me and my poor English can't tell you how much this deck rocked. It's way easier than it seems to get out Advanced Ritual Art, Miracle Fusion and Metamorphosis (btw, the first choice seems better than the insectic one).
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What makes E-Hero version better then the Insect version? Is it cause of Thunder Giant have the better effect? (And Miracle Fusion is a spell card, i.e. good for Merchant searching, while Doom Dozer is a monster)

EDIT: But the plus side of Doom Dozer is that it's also a LV8. Meaning, if your Demise gets bombed by BTH/Ring/Torrential, then you can use Doom Dozer for metamorphosis. I would run all of Heavy/MST/Giant Trunade to prevent this, but that's still only 3 cards, and MST doesn't get rid of all s/t zones either... and we don't have Breaker for baiting out those cards as well. I mean, do we need to run Chiron for this? (You "can" run Stratos... but the purpose of this deck is to keep your E-Heros in you deck, not in your hand, so Stratos is probably out for sidedeck...)
 
Don't forget a Sand Moth or two can also spell game if you have them set at the point of 'Geddon. I used this approach with my Demise deck and its had some good success, although it hasn't had any robust testing.
 
http://www.metagame.com/yugioh.aspx?tabid=33&ArticleId=8225

From reading this. I'm assuming this is Tundo's Demise deck (NOTE: I'm posting this BEFORE the actual deck is gunna be posted in Metagames. This is my guessing and lets see how well I guessed it)

Tribute - 3
Demise x3

Non-Tribute - 19
Gemini Elf x3
Gene-Warped Warwolf x3
Insect Knight x3
Gigantes x3
The Rock Spirit x3
Morphing Jar
Manju x3

Spells - 14
Advanced Ritual Art x3
Giant Trunade
Heavy Storm
Megamorph x3
Metamorphosis x2
MST
Scapegoat
SoRL
United We Stand

Traps - 4
Dimension Wall x3
Magic Cylinder

Now, I have no clue of how he made his sidedeck. (Probably Royal Decree/Mirror/Torrential, and possibly even Snatch/Preme/Justi-Break or something)
 
Maybe he also uses a Dimensionnal Fissure Box to bring them out more quickly. Wonder what it will be like though.
 
I really don't think Dimension Fusion is a good idea in a Demise deck. You're already paying the 2000LP for the win combo. I don't think raising the bar to 4000LP is smart.

But who knows. Anyway, man, is EVERYBODY running Demise OTK. Look at the feature matches... like 5 of them had Demise OTK decks already.
 
I was running a Demise OTK build, what I playtested and seemed the best of the bunch that I wanted to go for the OTK version anyway.

I actually didn't realise I was looking at Vincent's decklist during the player meeting since both our last names end with T, I was shaking my head and kind of groaning, and saying, "Man, I can't believe there's so many people around here I've noticed running a Demise deck of one sort or another..." He actually looked at my decklist though, since I looked at his, I figured I'd show it too him, since I was kind of amused so many people there were running something like this. Admittedly, I don't remember it completely, since I just glanced, but at the single glance, I didn't quite see as much combo potential as there was in what I went with. It looked like it had a lot more raw beatdown though, which is probably a lot better than the stall aspect I decided on. Of course, as far as my own immediate thoughts, I wasn't sure what to think, since it was pretty much time to start. I thought he looked familiar though, just didn't recognize him by face like that.

I honestly thought I was going to be a little bit unique, boy was I mistaken. I went 2-4 total before I decided to drop out, they were all CLOSE matches, literally, in every one of them, only one turn would've made a difference, so I wasn't disappointed at all, and don't even feel I did anything wrong. I'll go ahead and post it over in the Advanced Format decks later, after I get some rest, those 3 hour drives are killer to get back home, but my friend and I were tired and just decided to call it a day since he was doing worse.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Demise get banned come the next ban list, I'd hate to see an overboard on restrictions like Konami always tends to do and kill Art decks altogether, it's actually NICE to see Normal monsters see some play, even nicer to see "insects", even in this way. I'd love to see Max Suffridge's version win the whole thing, as I type this, he's currently 6-1 it says, and I know he's running the Doom Dozer varient, and Tundo is 5-2.
 
It's not Demise that's "broken". It's actually the Advanced Ritual Art. It turns down the "cost" of those big fat high level Ritual Summon into just 2 cards. (instead of the usual 3~4, sometimes 5 cards.) It's like Future Fusion. But faster. (But instead of Future Fusion, it's 2 card usage, not 1 card usage) Before, the only "decent" run of Ritual Monsters that was actually somewhat playable was just Relinquished and BEWD Paladin cause of low hand cost. (Now that doesn't matter.)

Yeah, right now, Advanced Ritual Art deck is like the Chain Strike Burn deck back in Cyberdark Impact days. Advanced Ritual Art might get axed.

And hey, I wonder what will kill the Diamond Dude Turbo, as it's STILL kicking alive somehow. (Marc Glass again, went undefeated with DDT) Do we have to axe the Magical Stone Excavation into 1x like Japan OCG and put down Lightning Vortex down to 1x along with it? (In OCG, it used to be 3x Golden Sealed Coffer instead of 3x Stone like the USA version)

And the interesting thing is. Both DDT and Demise OTK are pretty much. "I pay 2000LP. I win the game". The 2000LP bar is the new "I pay 5000LP, I win the game" bar that set Cyber-Stein back in the days.
 
Oh, well there's A problem right there... seems we're NOT playing by a global banned/restricted list afterall, because Excavation of Mage Stones is STILL at 1 in Japan, yet it's not restricted at all over here? I did think that's a little odd. I wonder how UDE dropped the ball on THAT one. I think I need to get in contact with UDE and send in a suggestion about an "Emergency Restriction Oversight." They can replace the other two with Spell Reproduction, it would slow it down a touch, but not stop it by any means, I'm sure.

Don't get me wrong, I actually like the DDT concept, it's rather cool, but I'm more for an equal playing field, I'd rather see us have the same promos, and the same banned list and such, even though I know this dream world will never really exist....

I suppose I can get used to the inevitability that Advanced Ritual Art will get restricted or banned, they make a card that makes many Ritual monsters, and moreso, NORMAL monsters worth using, and the few ritual monsters out there that are too good in certain situations can ruin it for all the others.... much like the way normal life works I suppose. Ah well, 5 months of brokenness, followed by overrestrictions out the wazoo.
 
Spell Reproduction is nowhere near as good. You'll see alot of times with DDT that they discard unwanted monsters like extra Malicious (Running 3x sometimes tend to draw into 2 of them) or Dasher/DMoC/Jinzo or something. With Spell Reproduction, your kinda forced to discard 2x Divine Sword.
 
As much as I hate to say it, I would rather see Demise get limited than Advanced Ritual Art. Is there a single Ritual monster out there, other than Demise, which would clear the field and cause quite the open shot at hitting an OTK? The closest might be Legendary Flame Lord. But that still requires the time to play spells for the counter build up.

Restricting Demise would limit the OTK potential while allowing both Ritual and Normal monsters some face time in the meta.
 
squid said:
Is there a single Ritual monster out there, other than Demise, which would clear the field and cause quite the open shot at hitting an OTK? The closest might be Legendary Flame Lord. But that still requires the time to play spells for the counter build up.
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I see a lot of damage done with Cu Chulainn the Awakened and Blue Eyes. And Zorc can really hurt too. But you're right, that hardly compares with the near certain wipe out effect of Demise.


squid said:
Restricting Demise would limit the OTK potential while allowing both Ritual and Normal monsters some face time in the meta.
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I agree. It's been awhile since we've seen Rituals in play. It is nice to have them back.
 
I'm still of the persuasion that ARA will get banned before Demise. We already had enough ritual support to get Demise out relatively fast and make things work. I think ARA opened some doors that made people want to play Demise. Restrict ARA and you'll need to work for Demise again, thus making the effect and cost not broken. But that's just my 10 bits 8^D
 
In my opinion, "Advanced Ritual Art" isn't going anywhere. Rituals have never had anywhere near a decent spot on the game, and this card helps them out a smidge. They're not like the Fusions, who have been having different forms of OTK support since the first SJC. No, they have just a hand few of cards that even exist among their ranks
 
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