despair from the dark

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1cup

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so, i realize "discard/ed" ≠ "sent"

so i'm doing a simple idiot check.

Despair from the Dark
Effect Monster (Zombie / DARK / 8 Stars / ATK 2800 / DEF 3000)

When this card is sent from your hand or Deck to your Graveyard by your opponent's card effect, Special Summon this card to the field.


despair's effect will not activate if it is in the GY via:

1. morphing jar
2. morphing jar #2
3. card destruction
4. needle worm

correct?

question 2.
ntp has FU despair.
tp uses Soul Exchange to trib despair for a monarch.

despair hits the GY due to trib, not soul exchange, correct?
 
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1cup said:
so, i realize "discard/ed" ≠ "sent"

so i'm doing a simple idiot check.

Despair from the Dark
Effect Monster (Zombie / DARK / 8 Stars / ATK 2800 / DEF 3000)

When this card is sent from your hand or Deck to your Graveyard by your opponent's card effect, Special Summon this card to the field.[/I]


despair's effect will not activate if it is in the GY via:

1. morphing jar
2. morphing jar #2
3. card destruction
4. needle worm

correct?
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All cards that are discarded are sent somewhere (usually the Graveyard).
Not all cards that are sent somewhere are called "discarded".


1. Your opponent's Morphing Jar will cause your Despair from the Dark's effect to activate.
2. I don't know.
3. Your opponent's Card Destruction will cause your Despair from the Dark's effect to activate.
4. Your opponent's Needle Worm will cause your Despair from the Dark's effect to activate.


1cup said:
question 2.
ntp has FU despair.
tp uses Soul Exchange to trib despair for a monarch.

despair hits the GY due to trib, not soul exchange, correct?
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Soul Exchange DOES make Despair from the Dark be sent somewhere. "A sent card" literally means a card that has moved around the playing field (inc. hand, Deck, Graveyard, RFP, field, Fusion Deck, everywhere), because of any possible method (discarded, Tributed, destroyed, sent, etc. etc.).

However, read Despair from the Dark's effect. It must be sent to the Graveyard from the hand or Deck in order to get its effect. In this situation it was on the field, and thus cannot get its effect when Tributed.
 
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re: dark + soul exchange.

oh wow, that's dumb of me to ignore dark's text. color me really dumb.


but as to the discard v send, i thought it was one of those textual things where word choice does matter.



but i'm a little confused.

Morphing Jar #2
Effect Monster (Rock / EARTH / 3 Stars / ATK 800 / DEF 700)

FLIP: Return all Monster Cards on the field to their respective Decks and shuffle them. You and your opponent then pick up cards until you both have the same number of Monster Cards that were returned to each Deck. Special Summon the Level 4 or lower monsters to the field in face-down Defense Position. The rest of the cards picked up are discarded to the Graveyard.

as despair is lv 8, he'd be discarded to the grave. so my question is this, being sent after being 'picked up' is different than being sent from deck or hand?

so being 'picked up' is some kind of 5th different place where cards can be before being sent to the grave? (the others being: deck, hand, field, rfg)
 
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1cup said:
but as to the discard v send, i thought it was one of those textual things where word choice does matter.
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Compare it with Normal Summon and Tribute Summon:

All Tribute Summons are Normal Summons.
Not all Normal Summons are Tribute Summons.

Here, "send" is the Normal Summon equivalent, and "discard" is the Tribute Summon equivalent.


1cup said:
but i'm a little confused.

Morphing Jar #2
Effect Monster (Rock / EARTH / 3 Stars / ATK 800 / DEF 700)

FLIP: Return all Monster Cards on the field to their respective Decks and shuffle them. You and your opponent then pick up cards until you both have the same number of Monster Cards that were returned to each Deck. Special Summon the Level 4 or lower monsters to the field in face-down Defense Position. The rest of the cards picked up are discarded to the Graveyard.

as despair is lv 8, he'd be discarded to the grave. so my question is this, being sent after being 'picked up' is different than being sent from deck or hand?

so being 'picked up' is some kind of 5th different place where cards can be before being sent to the grave? (the others being: deck, hand, field, rfg)
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I didn't read Morphing Jar #2 properly.

I'm not entirely sure, actually. The picked up cards are NOT considered to be in your hand (because cards like Cyber Jar make a point of telling you to add the rest of the cards to your hand), and I'm not sure whether they're still considered to be in the Deck or not.

Anyone else know?
 
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"Picked up" cards are considered to be neither in the Deck or the Hand. We like to think of it as a "limbo" state, even though that might not be the official definition. But, what is nowadays. Either way "picked up" cards are not considered to be in a location that the game currently uses for any effects.
 
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'Send' is the all encompassing term that describes pretty much any way a card can end up somewhere. If a card is sent, discarded, destroyed, tributed, returned, then it is considered to have been 'sent'.

All of the cards listed will cause "Despair from the Dark's" effect to trigger.

With "Morphing Jar #2", any cards that get discarded to the Graveyard are considered to have been discarded directly from the Deck to the Graveyard.
 
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skey23 said:
With "Morphing Jar #2", any cards that get discarded to the Graveyard are considered to have been discarded directly from the Deck to the Graveyard.
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There you go.

Also, make note that Despair from the Dark's effect will only work if it's YOUR OPPONENT'S card effect. Your own cards will do nothing (otherwise it'd be broken). However, "your opponent's card effect" means an effect controlled by your opponent, not necessarily OWNED by your opponent.
 
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skey23 said:
It's always been that way....
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I beg to differ. At one time, and for a long time, "picked up" card would neither activate hand-to-Graveyard nor Deck-to-Graveyard activated effect. I don't remember which cards they were specifically, but I remember the discussions we had about it.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
I beg to differ. At one time, and for a long time, "picked up" card would neither activate hand-to-Graveyard nor Deck-to-Graveyard activated effect. I don't remember which cards they were specifically, but I remember the discussions we had about it.
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You're probably talking about Penguin Knight or Electric Snake, but just like Skey said, its pretty much been that way as long as I can remember.
 
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This thread brought me to thinking about logic problems from math classes long ago. Like they said:

When something is destroyed, it is always "sent" somewhere.
When something is "sent" somewhere, it is NOT ALWAYS destroyed.

Remember these classic type problems when thinking about this.

All big things are blue things.
Some blue things are round.

So are all round things big things? No, but some are. Only SOME are big, blue, and round....heck, you don't even have enough information to know if all blue things are big. But you know some are.

Where was I going with this? These 9 hour midnight shifts kill me. At least I go home in 15 minutes.
 
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wow, I didn't know that "picked up" cards sent to the graveyard were considered to be sent directly from the Deck to the GY. Nice to know since I run Morphing Jar #2 in two different decks.
 
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does "opponent's card effect" in Despair from the Dark's effect include your cards that are controlled by your Opponent? Ala Creature Swap your face-down Morphing Jar #2 to your opponent and attack it?
 
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i believe so. as you can use the same method to obtain the secondary effects of dark world monsters:

broww/goldd/sillva/RAINBOW, Overlord of the Dark World
 
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SoilentG said:
does "opponent's card effect" in Despair from the Dark's effect include your cards that are controlled by your Opponent? Ala Creature Swap your face-down Morphing Jar #2 to your opponent and attack it?
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You mean, Morphing Jar?? Morphing Jar #2 sends cards from the field back to the Deck, and any card sent to the Graveyard is considered sent from the Deck, not hand.
 
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No, I mean, Morphing Jar #2... let's say I Creature Swap him for my opponent's Spirit Reaper and I attack Morphng Jar #2 and then both he and Reaper get shuffled back into the actual owner's decks... in drawing for 1 monster I get Despair from the Dark... he's can't be set per Jar #2's effect so he goes to the GY. So, now his effect should activate since the effect that sent Despair from the Dark to the GY was the card controlled by my opponent even though it was my card. Basically, I'm asking is "opponent's card effect" = "card effect controlled by my opponent".
 
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SoilentG said:
Basically, I'm asking is "opponent's card effect" = "card effect controlled by my opponent".
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Okay, I get you now. Yeah, since your opponent controls Morphing Jar #2 at the time the effect was activated, since MJ #2 is resolved while it is still on the field (and not a Graveyard Effect), Fear From the Dark would be sent to the Graveyard from your Deck by an effect controlled by your opponent.
 
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