"Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude" vs. "The End of Anubis"

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Kyhotae

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I have gotten into this wonderful discussion with Simon on another forum and I thought I would bring the fun here.

The question is whether "The End of Anubis" would negate the effect of the Normal Spell Card sent to the Graveyard by "Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude".

After reading through the rulings and noticing that they were very specific about saying that the effect activates and not the Spell Card, it was asserted that "The End of Anubis" had no power over it because it only negates effects of Spell Cards that activate in the Graveyard. Since there's not Spell Card being activated by "Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude"s effect, then "The End of Anubis" can't negate it.

The other assertion was simply that it's a Spell Card effect and it's activating in the Graveyard, so "The End of Anubis" will negate it.

So, there you have it. Let us know how you feel. :D
 
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Kyhotae said:
You don't know what he was truly stating. Only HE knows what he was truly stating.

j/k lol ;)
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You're absolutely right, only I know what I was trying to say, but they can obviously interpret some kind of meaning from what I said, and I sign off on the interpretation, so there's no need to guess any longer.

Also, if you are one of the unlucky few who would choose to unalter your position after a definitive ruling is given, then that is your perogative. No one can force you to change your mind, even if your opinion is found to be incorrect.
 
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Kyhotae said:
My mind includes both scenarios, so I wouldn't have to change anything. I just need to go with the one that Konami says is right. No changing involved.
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For someone who is straddling the fence, I dont see you arguing for both sides.

I certainly am not. I would rather have a conviction, than to be holding two hats in my hand, ready to wear either one. It's always the "right choice" to go with Konami's answer, but at least you held a opinion, rather than "I think it could be one or the other", because in the end, IT IS one or the other.

Better to stand for something and be wrong, than to play Devil's Advocate and keep a thread going on for page after page.
 
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Not if it could go either way. Not about this, anyway. There are much more important things to have a conviction about.

I haven't argued the other side because you guys have been doing that. You've done a pretty good job, though there's one correlated effect that no one has mentioned yet that is the best demonstration of why "The End of Anubis" would negate the Spell Effect that is activated by "Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude".
 
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Kyhotae said:
Not if it could go either way. Not about this, anyway. There are much more important things to have a conviction about.

I haven't argued the other side because you guys have been doing that. You've done a pretty good job, though there's one correlated effect that no one has mentioned yet that is the best demonstration of why "The End of Anubis" would negate the Spell Effect that is activated by "Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude".
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I dont particularly think anyone needs to provide anymore "proof" as to why The End of Anubis will negate Spell Card Effects. It either does, or it doesn't.
 
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Kyhotae said:
Agreed. That is the question that started the discussion. But I doubt we'll get a ruling from UDE about this because it was discussed on a forum and it's doubtful that anyone will use "Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude" in a sanctioned event because the effect isn't exactly easy to get off. Who knows? We'll just have to wait and see.
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Well, Diamond Dude Turbo is arguably the hottest deck in the Meta now, so does EoA negate Diamiond Dude's "psuedo-space" spell effect or not? :/

Any news?
 
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I'm really late to this debate. But with all the rulings being thrown back and forth (and after the 3rd page of this everything became a blur) so not to rekindle the fire on things, but I would have to lean toward The End of Anubis would negate it.

"¢ The Normal Spell Card's effect activates in the Graveyard. So its effect will not be negated by "Spell Canceller".

That's the Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude ruling. And even if you are only activating the effect of the card, it's still being activated (and it is a Chainable event too) in the Graveyard. As was stated countless times The End of Anubis negates effects that activate in the graveyard.

Is it official? No. Is it dangerous to extrapolate? In this game, yes. Does it seem logical this way though? Yes.
 
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densetsu_x said:
"¢ The Normal Spell Card's effect activates in the Graveyard. So its effect will not be negated by "Spell Canceller".

The End of Anubis negates effects that activate in the graveyard.
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Yeah, the counter argument to that (which was reargued and never fully resolved) was that since the Card itself does not activate, but its effect and (here comes the symantic argument) The End of Anubis states that it negates the effects of Monster, Spell and Trap cards that ...activate in the Graveyard... it doesn't negate it.

Of course, that was the argument somewhere in the middle of those eight other pages, not saying I agree or disagree, just that that was the main reason...then we got off on a two pager about where to put the emphasis of whcih adjective, or something (it really is a fun read).
 
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DarkLogicianOfCaos said:
Yeah, the counter argument to that (which was reargued and never fully resolved) was that since the Card itself does not activate, but its effect and (here comes the symantic argument) The End of Anubis states that it negates the effects of Monster, Spell and Trap cards that ...activate in the Graveyard... it doesn't negate it.

Of course, that was the argument somewhere in the middle of those eight other pages, not saying I agree or disagree, just that that was the main reason...then we got off on a two pager about where to put the emphasis of whcih adjective, or something (it really is a fun read).
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You italicized the wrong word in there, which I did for you and put it in bold.

First, the effect (on the card) is what would be negated any way you want to argue it, IMO, not the card itself =/

Second, the card sent by Diamond Dude has to be in the graveyard at the time its effect activates...

Then add the Spell Canceller example and ruling language used seems to shed a very bright light on the whole thing...namely that EoA would indeed negate it.

But on the other hand, if you've seen my thread asking if EoA negates D.D. Crow, then you have to take anything I say with a truckload of salt blocks, lol...
 
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Actually, see, you missed the whole point!!

1. I know which word I italicized...I did it on purpose. The feature of the opposing argument was the emphasis on the word CARD!

2. You don't need to argue counter to what I put, it has already been argued for two pages on that very symantic domain--as stated!

3. I was only pointiong out the fact [word italicized on purpose] that there was an argument and what it was mainly about. Please let us not rehash it!

4. It is not nice to put words in another's mouth...er post!

<edit> oh, yeah, I almost forgot to put the perfunctory smiley face to show that I am not angry... let's see, where did I put that thing...oh, here 8-D
 
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DarkLogicianOfCaos said:
Actually, see you missed the whole point!!

1. I know which word I italicized...I did it on purpose. The feature of the opposing argument was the emphasis on the word CARD!

2. You don't need to argue counter to what I put, it has already been argued for two pages on that very symantic domain--as stated!

3. I was only pointiong out the fact [word italicized on purpose] that there was an argument and what it was mainly about. Please let us not rehash it!

4. It is not nice to put words in another's mouth...er post!

<edit> oh, yeah, I almost forgot to put the prefunctory smiley face to show that I am not angry... let's see, where did I put that thing...oh, here 8-D
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1. If something is going to be negated, it's usually the EFFECT, not the card.

2. You started it. And take your own advice there, mister :p

3. See "2." above ^_^

4. Ahhh, did I hurt your feelings? :p
 
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The way I look at it is this. Take a Spell Card that normally activates in the Graveyard like Ojamagic. Spell Canceller cannot stop it. Magic Jammer cannot be chained to it.

"¢ The effect of "Ojamagic" activates in the Graveyard, and it can be chained to. It cannot be negated by "Magic Jammer" or "Dark Balter the Terrible".

So back to Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude. What his effect does is takes Normal Spell Cards and gets rid of the costs, requirements, and has effect activate/resolve someplace other than where the card activation is supposed to occur. It makes an otherwise Normal Spell card have an activation requirement similar to Ojamagic (Deck to Graveyard). And yes, that effect will now activate in the Graveyard now rather than the field just like the way Ojamagic does (only difference is that the Spell Card sent by Diamond Dude is optional and can be removed before the activation occurs while Ojamagic is manditory).

If the rules for Graveyard Spells and Traps are such that Spell Canceller, Jinzo, Magic Jammer, Seven Tools of the Bandit, Solemn Judgment, etc. will not negate these effects because they are considered Graveyard Effects and as such do fall under The End of Anubis' umbrella for negation, then really, the Spell Card that Diamond Dude sends would have to fall under the same category since it is granted the same immunities from SC, J, MJ, 7TofB, SJ, etc. and considered to be activated in the Graveyard.
 
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DarkLogicianOfCaos said:
Yeah, the counter argument to that (which was reargued and never fully resolved) was that since the Card itself does not activate, but its effect and (here comes the symantic argument) The End of Anubis states that it negates the effects of Monster, Spell and Trap cards that ...activate in the Graveyard... it doesn't negate it.
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It's true that, gramatically, "activate" could refer to "cards" or to "effects".

However, since the text states "Spell, Trap and Monster Cards", it's not possible that "activate" refers to "cards", because Monster Cards cannot activate.

Thus, it has to refer to "effects". There's nothing else left.
 
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and yall poked fun at me when i said this was a fascinating yet confusing card.... hrumpf...and spat forth activate effect without paying cost....as if thats what was hard to understand....( well.. sometimes cost vs effect... :redface ) it seems as if there is still no clear answer....
my pea brain comes up with.... step 1 pick up card...
2a .... bottom of deck
2b...to graveyard....( not "copy' effect for later use)
so it seems like dh dd takes, from grave, the spell cards effect. so if end of anubis is on field at that time it would, or would not, prevent .... sigh .... my head hurts :huh :huh
what happens when dh dd is used then book of mooned? and flipped again - resets right? is first effect still available for us next turn? yes... i think....so its a lingering effect (sort of) activated a turn before optional use...spell has to stay in graveyard or lingering effect looses track of .... yet the effect dosent target... i'm so confused.... :huh :huh

so if anyone needs fuel for a "card review" article thats definative....anything from ude?? or did my pounding head and blurred vision miss it??
 
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Why is there such a big arguement? And why highlight Cards?

The End of Anubis said:
While this card is face-up on the field, all effects of Spell, Trap, and Monster Cards that target a card(s) in the Graveyard or that activate in the Graveyard are negated.
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Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude FAQ said:
The Normal Spell Card's effect activates in the Graveyard. So its effect will not be negated by "Spell Canceller".
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It seems quite clear to me
 
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Deja Vu all over again

You realize I [italics intentional] said the exact same thing on page 1 (post #3) (with the exact same rulings quote) and then (in the same post) expanded it, twisted it upside down and gave it a good swat on the bumm. ROFL!! Then DeGuy took it for a spin and all Ha Des broke loose.

What was that about taking own advise? LOL [I kid because I care, den_X. You're fun to tease (and your blue stars don't scare me)]

Rats! We made it to ten pages... and still no word from UDE. But in our tournies I'm ruling "The End of a n00bie" stops "Elemental Zero Diner Dud", until Skey (my HJ) tells me otherwise.
 
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