"Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude" vs. "The End of Anubis"

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Kyhotae

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I have gotten into this wonderful discussion with Simon on another forum and I thought I would bring the fun here.

The question is whether "The End of Anubis" would negate the effect of the Normal Spell Card sent to the Graveyard by "Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude".

After reading through the rulings and noticing that they were very specific about saying that the effect activates and not the Spell Card, it was asserted that "The End of Anubis" had no power over it because it only negates effects of Spell Cards that activate in the Graveyard. Since there's not Spell Card being activated by "Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude"s effect, then "The End of Anubis" can't negate it.

The other assertion was simply that it's a Spell Card effect and it's activating in the Graveyard, so "The End of Anubis" will negate it.

So, there you have it. Let us know how you feel. :D
 
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Only a scrubby noob would believe your side of this argument! **<runs away lauging maniacally!!>**


[edit]This response was done in complete jest and humor. No ill will or intent is intended with this response and Kyhotae knows it...lol.
 
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Well, let's see. On just a cursory scan of RONIN....


Under Diamond Dude:

The Normal Spell Card's effect activates in the Graveyard.


The End of Anubis
Effect Monster (Fiend / DARK / 6 Stars / ATK 2500 / DEF 0)
While this card is face-up on the field, all effects of Spell, Trap, and Monster Cards that target a card(s) in the Graveyard or that activate in the Graveyard are negated.



Seems clear to me...effects of spell cards that activate in the Graveyard (it does not say that the spell card itself has to activate it) are negated. Ergo, The End of Anubis stops Diamond Dude. At least as far as current ruling/text are worded. :huh

I suppose the arguement would have to lie in the area of the word "of". I read the "of" in Anubis' text to be possesive, like the one in the text of Diamond Dude....In other words, read The End of Anubis as: "...all Spell, Trap and Monster Cards' effects...that activate in the graveyard are negated." Just as Diamond Dude says. One could take the "of" specifically to mean "that are activated by means of" but that might be stretching it a bit.
 
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DarkLogicianOfCaos said:
The End of Anubis
Effect Monster (Fiend / DARK / 6 Stars / ATK 2500 / DEF 0)
While this card is face-up on the field, all effects of Spell, Trap, and Monster Cards that target a card(s) in the Graveyard or that activate in the Graveyard are negated.



Seems clear to me...effects of spell cards that activate in the Graveyard (it does not say that the spell card itself has to activate it) are negated.
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The text of anubis is just as easily saying that it negates the effects of (CARDS that activate in the graveyard)

all effects of spell trap and monster cards that activate in the graveyard are negated.

or

all effect os spell trap and monster cards that activate in the graveyard are negated

i.e. Take the cards that activate in the graveyard, and negate those cards effects.

There's nothing clear about the text, its ambiguous.
 
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"¢ "Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude" doesn't actually activate the Normal Spell card itself. Instead, he just activates its effect. So the Spell Card remains in the Graveyard.
"¢ Since the Spell Card itself is not activated (only its effect is), your opponent cannot chain "Magic Jammer", "Dark Deal", "Barrel Behind the Door" or any other card that has to be chained to the activation of a Spell Card.

From what I gathered in that, the effect of the spell card is no longer coming from the spell card itself, but rather, DH-DD has a sort of "variable" effect that activates the same effect that the spell card had.
It negates the effect of cards that activate in the graveyard. The spell card may be in the graveyard, but it is Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude who activates the effect. Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude isn't in the graveyard, so why shouldn't his effect activate?

My two cents on the matter..........
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
The text of anubis is just as easily saying that it negates the effects of (CARDS that activate in the graveyard)

all effects of spell trap and monster cards that activate in the graveyard are negated.

or

all effect os spell trap and monster cards that activate in the graveyard are negated

i.e. Take the cards that activate in the graveyard, and negate those cards effects.

There's nothing clear about the text, its ambiguous.
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Let's look at what this (highlighted rephrasing) means. If "all effects of...cards that activate in the Graveyard" are negated, and night assailant is a card that activates in the graveyard, (does it not??), then "all effects" of it are negated, even its flip effect. I know, you can argue that it should be "all effects of ...cards IF the effect activates in the Graveyard, but that isn't what it says. Just looking at your symantics and carrying them to their logical conclusion.

TeeHeeHee. DLoC made a funny....
 
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The text of The of Anubis says:


"While this card is face-up on the field, all effects of Spell, Trap, and Monster Cards that target a card(s) in the Graveyard or that activate in the Graveyard are negated."

Notice that it says "Targets a card(s) in the graveyard". So that mean if destiny hero-Diamond dude targets that card it will be negated as it activates by the effect of a monster. I guess the ruling will be similar with Necrovalley, as it targets a card in the graveyard.
 
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greeneyescat said:
From the moment you select a card I guess it targets.
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But the thing is, you never really "select" a card with Diamond Dude, you place the card in the graveyard or the bottom of the deck depending on its type, but the effect is all Diamond Dude. It may look at a card to reference, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't count as targeting. Similar to how, say, Buster Blader doesn't "target" dragon cards on your opponent's side of the field and graveyard...
 
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Compare this back with the previous discussion on whether Horus lv6 is unaffected by a spell card activated by Diamond Dude (http://www.cogonline.net/threads.17009)- the ruling that was finally issued was that Horus is not affected by spell cards, so therefore it is the spell that is causing the effect, not a monster effect of Diamond Dude.

If we take that ruling, and use it here, then it is the spell being activated in the graveyard, at that time, not the monster on the field, and as such would be affected by the End of Anubis
 
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Then the question should be how much of the graveyard does anubis negates. I know it negates searcher, sangan, tomatoes, etc, newdoria etc. So is the effect of diamond dude activated in the graveyard or the field?
 
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greeneyescat said:
Then the question should be how much of the graveyard does anubis negates. I know it negates searcher, sangan, tomatoes, etc, newdoria etc. So is the effect of diamond dude activated in the graveyard or the field?
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UDE FAQ said:
The Normal Spell Card's effect activates in the Graveyard. So its effect will not be negated by "Spell Canceller".
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..............:2evil
 
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english chef said:
Compare this back with the previous discussion on whether Horus lv6 is unaffected by a spell card activated by Diamond Dude (http://www.cogonline.net/threads.17009)- the ruling that was finally issued was that Horus is not affected by spell cards, so therefore it is the spell that is causing the effect, not a monster effect of Diamond Dude.

If we take that ruling, and use it here, then it is the spell being activated in the graveyard, at that time, not the monster on the field, and as such would be affected by the End of Anubis
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Just two cents worth here but taking the ruling of DH-DD vs Horus LV6 and that Horus is NOT affected by Spell card effects used by DH-DD, I would think that DH-DD DOES target. DH-DD can't use the effect of ANY spell card that happens to be in the graveyard and as such, targets the card BEFORE it is sent to the graveyard. The player then has the option of using (not activating) the effect of the spell card sent to the graveyard on their next turn. Since End of Anubis negates effects that target in the graveyard, it cannot negate DH-DD from using the effects of Spell cards because the effect is targeted BEFORE being sent to the graveyard and USED the next turn. BUT that's just my two cents worth.
 
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Konami FAQ said:
"¢ When you resolve "Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude's" effect you (1) reveal the top card of your Deck, then (2A) send it to your Graveyard if it is a Normal Spell Card or (2B) return it to the bottom of your Deck if it's not. Activating that Spell Card's effect during your next turn is not activating "Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude's" effect at that time. Even if "Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude" is not on the field during your next turn's Main Phases, you can still activate the effect of that Normal Spell Card.
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"Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude" does nothing with anything until the effect is resolving. No card can be targeted during resolution. Also notice that you can use the effect whether "Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude" is on the field or not. "Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude" doesn't target a thing.
 
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Kyhotae said:
"Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude" does nothing with anything until the effect is resolving. No card can be targeted during resolution. Also notice that you can use the effect whether "Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude" is on the field or not. "Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude" doesn't target a thing.
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Whether Diamond Dude is on the field or not, the ability to use the effect of a Normal Spell card discarded to the graveyard is active. Diamond Dude's effect apparently is a ing effect much like Return from Different Dimension. RFDD isn't on the field but it's effect still s until resolution. DH-DD is somewhat the same. The ability to use the effect of a normal spell card is still out there, floating above you as to say and waiting to be used. But DH-DD does target Spell card effects, it's after the activation of DH-DD's effect to turn the top card of the player's deck and discarding the spell card to the graveyard. The effect specifies what, when and how it can be used during the next turn.
 
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