Destiny Hero Dogma

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LordLight2

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I know this question is going to come up and I want to verify it with some people higher along the food chain than myself...

Destiny Hero Dogma's effect states it cuts the opponents life points in half at their next standby phase. This we all know. Now, is this a continuious effect? In that it happens during every standby phase of the opponent? I would have to say no and that it only happens once. (And of course if it was special summoned properly AND if he stays on the field.)
 
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LordLight2 said:
I know this question is going to come up and I want to verify it with some people higher along the food chain than myself...

Destiny Hero Dogma's effect states it cuts the opponents life points in half at their next standby phase. This we all know. Now, is this a continuious effect? In that it happens during every standby phase of the opponent? I would have to say no and that it only happens once. (And of course if it was special summoned properly AND if he stays on the field.)
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Interestingly enough, the only ruling that exist is that it must be on the field during your opponents next Standby Phase for his effect to activate.

It doesnt say if it only triggers once, or if it continues to trigger each time it is on the field past the initial event. I would say that it is only once, but history tells us that a open ended ruling such as the one we have, leaves much up in the air.
 
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The argument for the "once only" side is that the card says "during your opponent's next Standby Phase" instead of "during each of your opponent's Standby Phases". It also links the Life Point halving with the Special Summon, even though such wording would be superfluous if it was every opponent's Standby Phase (since it can only be Special Summoned anyway). This also implies the one opponent's Standby Phase after its Special Summon only.

The wording also implies the effect would only be delayed, as opposed to disappearing completely, if the opponent used Solomon's Lawbook to skip their next Standby Phase. The halving would occur during the opponent's very next Standby Phase, even if that wouldn't be in the opponent's very next turn.

Personally, I'm all for this side. It makes a lot of sense, considering the wording. I should hope by now those in charge of the card texts have hired a proofreader or something to avoid another Ocean Dragon Lord - Neo-Daedalus catastrophe.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
Interestingly enough, the only ruling that exist is that it must be on the field during your opponents next Standby Phase for his effect to activate.

It doesnt say if it only triggers once, or if it continues to trigger each time it is on the field past the initial event. I would say that it is only once, but history tells us that a open ended ruling such as the one we have, leaves much up in the air.
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I would think that it is an effect that triggers each turn, as long as it is face up on the field for your opponent's next turn. The ability to trigger each Standby Phase is dependent upon being on the field, not a once only effect. What difference would it make if it was on the field for a "once only" effect?
 
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HorusMaster said:
What difference would it make if it was on the field for a "once only" effect?
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Maybe because that's how the effect is supposed to work? I think they tried to get the card text to say: "During your opponent's next Standby Phase after this card is Special Summoned, halve your opponent's Life Points." But for some reason they couldn't word it that way (even though it more explicitly implies Dogma should be face-up on the field at that time too, and that the effect activates at that time and isn't some kind of condition created upon Summoning that will activate later regardless of the condition of Dogma).

Besides, it seems pretty unfair to let the effect go off even if the monster is Bottomless Trap Hole'd.
 
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MightyDingo said:
I would say due to the 'opponent's next Standby Phase' that it is a one-off effect as MasterWoo0 and Maruno state.
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Question- if Dogma is special summoned appropriately (tributing three monsters, one being a destiny hero) and is destroyed, can you use Premature Burial or Call of the Haunted to bring the monster back?
And if so, doesn't the effect reset itself?
 
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HorusMaster said:
Question- if Dogma is special summoned appropriately (tributing three monsters, one being a destiny hero) and is destroyed, can you use Premature Burial or Call of the Haunted to bring the monster back?
And if so, doesn't the effect reset itself?
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Dogma is a Nomi Monster. He can ONLY be Special Summoned by his card text.
 
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No you can not summon him in anyway other than how it's stated on the card.

This card cannot be Special Summoned except by Tributing 3 monsters
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The "except by" clause makes it a Nomi monster.
 
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slither said:
No you can not summon him in anyway other than how it's stated on the card.



The "except by" clause makes it a Nomi monster.
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Fair enough...I re-thought my stance on Dogma's effect and agree that it is a "once only" effect due to the statement in the card text, " when this card is Special Summoned, halve your opponent's life points during the next Standby Phase. The effect is conditional to the special summoning of the monster, making it a once-only effect. I think it would have been clearer if the text either said, "during each of your opponent's standby phases or only the next standby phase AFTER this card is Special Summoned"...either statement would have resulted in a clearer understanding of the effect but I agree it is a Once Only effect.
 
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I have to agree with Kyhotae on this one. it says when the card is special summoned. a requirement for the effect. at least that's how i see it.

netrep said:
This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by Tributing 3 monsters, including at least 1 "Destiny Hero" monster. If this card is Special Summoned, halve your opponent's Life Points during your opponent's next Standby Phase.
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That statement leads me to think that it's a oneshot effect.
 
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Kyhotae said:
I think the text is fine. I have no idea how anyone could extrapolate a "continuous" effect when I look at that wording.
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It wouldnt be a Continuous Effect, it would be a Trigger Effect, based upon the fact that it will only occur when the Standby Phase is entered, and if there is no immediate next Standby Phase, it will wait for the "next Standby Phase" that is reached.

Continuous doesnt always mean Continuously Active.
 
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Still... You have an event of reference (the Special Summon), and an effect that happens during the next Standby Phase after it. It doesn't get much more straight-forward than that.
 
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ahhh, I see what woo is saying. He means the next standby phase you conduct, not the next turn's standby phase.

then again, it could be turn specific, like ky's attributing it to.


I see it from both sides. It could go either way, we'll just have to wait for the card errata update.
 
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That's not the question. The question is whether it triggers EVERY Standby Phase after it's Special Summoned. The text just does not support that stance and I don't know how anyone could extrapolate that from the text.

And I did not attribute anything "turn specific" to the effect.
 
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Kyhotae said:
That's not the question. The question is whether it triggers EVERY Standby Phase after it's Special Summoned. The text just does not support that stance and I don't know how anyone could extrapolate that from the text.

And I did not attribute anything "turn specific" to the effect.
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Well, you didnt have to. I did.

I said that because the effect doesnt HAVE TO activate on the very next turn, it has to have a mechanic that allows it to keep checking for the "next Standby Phase".

If I were able to activate a Solomon's Lawbook for every one of my turns for 3 turns straight, he would be unable to Trigger Dogma's effect until my Lawbook's effect are gone, which would be on my fourth turn, and first Standby Phase since Dogma was summoned.

The effect is obviously a Triggered Effect and not Continuous, and it will occur "when it can", which doesnt necessarily mean that it "could only" happen once. The condition is that it must be Special Summoned for the effect to even be able to activate. How else is this card going to get on the field? It CAN'T be Normal Summoned or Set. It CAN'T be Special Summoned without offering a Destiny Hero.

The line of text was completely DUMB to even put in there. That's like saying, "If Chaos Sorcerer was Special Summoned, you can remove a face-up monster from play." So, does that mean that if they were to put that line of text on Chaos Sorcerer, his effect would ONLY occur once?

Chaos Sorcerer can only be Special Summoned. Destiny Hero - Dogma can ONLY be Special Summoned. Why is it that his effect can ONLY activate once?

A better text would be...

Destiny Hero - Dogma
Effect Monster (Warrior / DARK / 8 Stars / ATK 3400 / DEF 2400)

This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by Tributing 3 monsters, including at least 1 "Destiny Hero" monster. One time only, when this card is Special Summoned, halve your opponent's Life Points during your opponent's next Standby Phase.
 
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I was just thinking; there are D-heroes with that stipulation written in, right? Like Dasher... How come Dogma didn't have that stipulation?(just wondering if anyone else noticed that little blip)
 
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Because the Life Point halving of Dogma is linked to Dogma's Special Summon. The Special Summon only happens once while it's on the field, and the effect is linked to that and happens in the next opponent's Standby Phase after said Special Summon. There's no need for a "one time only" bit of wording, because the Special Summon is "one time only" anyway.

A much better phrasing would have been: "During your opponent's first Standby Phase after this card is Special Summoned, half your opponent's Life Points."
 
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