Did you guys read the Bottomless Trap HOle ruling?

[krazykidpsx]

thats so outrageous. Only becuase konami didnt think about the ruling on Magical Dimension doesnt mean that BTH had to suffer. talk about inconsistances. man thats wack, BTH has lost ubber power today.

just like Kevin Tewart put it:

it's no longer an uber-destroyer that floats on the field
annihilating all in its path once it resolves.

 

[Jason_C]

Relating personal, I bring up the time I went thief-crazy.

First, I tested it on Helpoemer316, since he was an admin and had the option of Admin Donate.

Then, when I figured out how the thing worked, I robbed all admins and non-members (people that never logged into their accounts) who had lots of points.

The difference between what you did and what I did was that I knew for a fact that the only negative side effects would be the loss of points for people who didn't need them and my loss of reputation, while as you yourself stated, you didn't know all of the side effects, especially those on your victim. If you wanted a guinea pig, it would have been best to experiment on someone who you asked, so you would find out the side-effects first.

You stated yourself that you retired from the Inferno. I assumed you wouldn't care about the iggi. Moreover, as I have stated before, there was no way for me to know that you would be receiving these PMs. Even if I HAD known this, I would still be allowed to steal from you. If you have points on hand, you risk being stolen from. Repeatedly, even.

If you played the card Brain Control, you know exactly what the effects are. You know that the Brain Control wouldn't suddenly jump up and bite me in the nose.

Good point. But then again, the side effects of the theft weren't really all that severe. I'm sure the PMs were annoying. But I'm also sure it didn't take you long to clear them out, and you probably weren't out much in the end (other than the iggi, I mean).

Regardless, it can be seen as a lack of respect in the course of a serious discussion. Especially since the teasing it is directed at the opponent rather than yourself.

I apologize, then. From now on, I'll only tease myself in these arguments.

Unless you were manually refreshing the page every second (which seems unlikely given that you can't seem to do the same in Firefox), you were using a script whether you knew it or not.

It wasn't manual refresh, but it's very similar.

 

[Raijinili]

You stated yourself that you retired from the Inferno. I assumed you wouldn't care about the iggi. Moreover, as I have stated before, there was no way for me to know that you would be receiving these PMs.

Two arguments against this.

One, you didn't wonder about the side effects.

Two, you were receiving PMs, so was it reasonable to wonder about the other person receiving PMs?

Even if I HAD known this, I would still be allowed to steal from you. If you have points on hand, you risk being stolen from. Repeatedly, even.

It's not about whether you would have done it, or would have been able to. It's a question of whether it's sound judgement to do so.

Good point. But then again, the side effects of the theft weren't really all that severe. I'm sure the PMs were annoying. But I'm also sure it didn't take you long to clear them out, and you probably weren't out much in the end (other than the iggi, I mean).

Actually, it took time to load the page on slow dial-up, then to select them all and delete, and time to wait for the signal to transfer (again on slow dial-up). And it had to be done for each page.

Regardless of the end result, the point is that you didn't think.

It wasn't manual refresh, but it's very similar.

A "Refresh every second" is still a script.

 

[Jason_C]

One, you didn't wonder about the side effects.

I wondered what would happen. So I did an experiment, and I found out.

Two, you were receiving PMs, so was it reasonable to wonder about the other person receiving PMs?

It would be a reasonable assumption. But not an obvious one, in many cases. For one thing, you don't get a PM when someone steals your CoG points, or at least not last I checked. I assumed the same would hold true.

It's not about whether you would have done it, or would have been able to. It's a question of whether it's sound judgement to do so.

It's a question of whether what I did was a bad idea or not. Now...

~I didn't break any rules.

~I benefited from what I did.

I think it was a pretty good idea, and turned out well.

Regardless of the end result, the point is that you didn't think.

I find that statement paradoxical. I did indeed think. What's more, I thought about the end result, thus the confusion. I thought about it, and determined it a wise course of action. For the two reasons stated above.

A "Refresh every second" is still a script.

I wish I had one of those. I've heard of people leaving them on www.neopets.com and waking up in the morning to find all sorts of goodies in their inventory from viewing so many pages. Alas, I have no script.

If you're going to argue that a statement made was offensive, then please acknowledge an apology when you receive one. Even if in a bad way.

 

[masterwoo0]

Hmmmm... Bottomless Trap Hole.... yeah....

 

[Jason_C]

Hmmmm... Bottomless Trap Hole.... yeah....

Raij doesn't like me PMing him. So I have to talk with him on the boards.

Kind of astounding this hasn't been locked yet, isn't it?

 

[anthonyj]

Hmmmm... Bottomless Trap Hole.... yeah....

LOL. I was going to say the same thing about 4 posts ago but just figured it would be locked within the hour anyway so what difference would it make.

Honestly, I see it this way. If you have no problem looking for loopholes and abusing systems for your own benefit you have left that example for others to follow. When you wind up being the victim instead of an admin I say you have reaped as you have sown.

 

[Raijinili]

I wondered what would happen. So I did an experiment, and I found out.

You found out about the main effect of points. I said side-effects.

It would be a reasonable assumption. But not an obvious one, in many cases. For one thing, you don't get a PM when someone steals your CoG points, or at least not last I checked. I assumed the same would hold true.

It would be a reasonably possibility, as you don't get a PM when you steal CoG points either.

It's a question of whether what I did was a bad idea or not. Now...

~I didn't break any rules.

~I benefited from what I did.

I think it was a pretty good idea, and turned out well.

And you also got called "crazy spammer", and you don't seem to like that so much.

I find that statement paradoxical. I did indeed think. What's more, I thought about the end result, thus the confusion. I thought about it, and determined it a wise course of action. For the two reasons stated above.

You only thought about the results that affected yourself. And perhaps you wanted me to get mad at you for stealing the points. I don't know.

As for wise, your wisdom is not the question here.

I wish I had one of those. I've heard of people leaving them on www.neopets.com and waking up in the morning to find all sorts of goodies in their inventory from viewing so many pages. Alas, I have no script.

Then your comment about your method not working on Firefox is puzzling.

If you're going to argue that a statement made was offensive, then please acknowledge an apology when you receive one. Even if in a bad way.

Statement?

Honestly, I see it this way. If you have no problem looking for loopholes and abusing systems for your own benefit you have left that example for others to follow. When you wind up being the victim instead of an admin I say you have reaped as you have sown.

That's great and moral and all, but we're arguing about whether I was right to call him crazy.