Double Summon

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HorusMaster

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The card effect allows you an extra summon but states that you can only use this effect once each turn. The card, however, is not a continous effect.

Does that mean I can only play one Double Summon spell card each turn or am I allowed to play a second Double Summon spell card?
 
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It is an interesting wording, isn't it "You can only gain this effect once per turn." It seems to be focusing on the effect, not just the card itself, per se. It couldn't be referencing Serial Spell, becuase you wouldn't have cards in your hand to Summon. It could be becuase of the new card Spell Reclamation, though. Or DMOC. I would have to say that the intent of that limitation is to only allow you to use one copy (effect) of Double Summon per turn (even if it the same double summon). I don't believe, though that it would stop you from using a Double Summon along with an Ultimate offering, though it is worded in such a way that it could be construed to include Ultimate offering, which has the same effect, an additional Summon, I mean.

But then you have to ask, why didn't they just word it like "Gather Your Mind"?

Gather Your Mind
Normal Spell
Add 1 "Gather Your Mind" card from your Deck to your hand. Your Deck is then shuffled. You can only use 1 "Gather Your Mind" per turn.
 
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Entropy said:
It means that the effects of multiple Double Summons don't stack. You can activate a second copy, but it'll do nothing.
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Then that goes against the statement that you cannot activate the effect of a Spell or Trap Card that will do nothing. You already know from the first one that you can only get the effect once. So activating a second will of course "do nothing".
 
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masterwoo0 said:
Then that goes against the statement that you cannot activate the effect of a Spell or Trap Card that will do nothing. You already know from the first one that you can only get the effect once. So activating a second will of course "do nothing".
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Guess we are right back to where we ended up in the other forum, Instant Fusion specifically states you can't activate another copy.

In this particular scenario the game does not know if you ARE or ARE NOT going to use Double Summon's effect, if the game finds the effect has been used any other effects (of another activated card) will be ignored. But it doesn't limit you to activating or not another copy of the card.
 
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It doesn't state that you can Resummon a Gemini Monster either, but you can do that too (which was the whole purpose of the card). Functionality-wise, it is the same as Ultimate Offering (without the 500 life point payment) except the state it creates can be done once per turn.
 
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Geminis dont need a card to state they can resummon them, because there is no such term. The only term there is with Gemini Monsters is "Normal Summon".

It's not like "Ultimate Offering", or if it is, it shouldn't logically.

Rulebook said:
*Normal Summon (and Tribute Summon)
This is the most common way to Summon a monster. Simply
place a Monster Card from your hand onto the field in faceup
Attack Position. All Normal Monsters, and most Effect
Monsters (unless they have a specific restriction), can be
Summoned in this way.
However, for Monsters that are Level 5 or higher, you must
Tribute at least 1 other monster from your side of the field
before the Normal Summon. This is called a "Tribute Summon".
Monsters that are Level 5 or 6 require 1 Tribute and Monsters
that are Level 7 or higher require 2 Tributes.
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Now that's all it lists for a Normal Summon. Set is the next thing it covers, which you can do one or the other manually once per turn. "Ultimate Offering" proves it can do either by text stating "Normal Summon or Set".

"Double Summon" for one says you perform an additional Normal Summon this turn, which says two things logically to me. One, you are allowed to Normal Summon another monster this turn, and two, before doing so you Normal Summoned a monster.

I'm not sure, but if you're saying that you can Normal Summon or Set for the effect, then I would suppose "Gemini Summoner", having similar text, could both set a Gemini monster from the hand, or one already on the field.

There's a contradiction here.
 
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Oceanus said:
I'm not sure, but if you're saying that you can Normal Summon or Set for the effect, then I would suppose "Gemini Summoner", having similar text, could both set a Gemini monster from the hand, or one already on the field.

There's a contradictory here.
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I guess it is a Normal Summon at End Phase...

That could be something to look into (Even though it does say you could "Set" a monster....).
 
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So in essence, a Gemini monster that is Level 5 or higher can be "normal summoned" instead of being "tribute summoned" ? I always thought that a tribute summon was considered a normal summon as opposed to special summoned which is a separate category altogether.
 
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A Normal Summon and Set are two different things, and Set is not listed anywhere. However, when you Normal Summon or Set a monster of Level five or higher you automatically default to tributing monsters, which is also considered a Tribute Summon.

More on the point, can anybody counter my logic?
 
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Lets put it this way...Tribute summons are Normal Summons. If you Normal Summon a Level 5+ Monster from your hand to the field, it requires a Tribute. To Normal Summon a Gemini Monster (so far the only cards that can do this) from the Filed to the field, you do not need a Tribute. It is clear that the Geminis do not leave the field as no cards targeting them, will loose their target.

http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/COMMUNITY/forums/thread/810050.aspx
 
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Double Summon also says though...

"The extra Summon granted by this card's effect can be used any time you could Normal Summon"

Is there a time when you could normal summon that you could not set a monster instead?
 
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The only time you could Normal Summon but not Set is if you've already Normal Summoned or Set a monster, and you use Double Summon. It gives you an extra Normal Summon (but NOT a Set).

However, Setting a monster has no relevance to the card. It doesn't mention Sets.

I suppose the ruling is meant to differentiate Double Summon from Ultimate Offering (which makes you Normal Summon upon resolution of its effect). Double Summon just creates a condition, like Last Will, that allows you to Normal Summon at any appropriate time after the card's activation. Appropriate times are Main Phase 1 or Main Phase 2 only, unless a card effect is restricting Normal Summons.

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at with your question, John. Is that the kind of answer you wanted?
 
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John Danker said:
Double Summon also says though...

"The extra Summon granted by this card's effect can be used any time you could Normal Summon"

Is there a time when you could normal summon that you could not set a monster instead?
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What about cards that can only be Set, like Mystic Swordsman LV4? Since he can only be Set, rather than Normal Summoned face-up, how would he be affected by Double Summon if your logic leans toward this card allowing a Set as well as Summon?
 
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I honestly don't know on this card, I could see it either way. Of course with Konami you never can be certain what there intent is with a translated wording. The question is on the judge list que, we'll just have to wait until it's answered.
 
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