Element Dragon effect triggering question

BobDoily

BobDoily

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Okay here's the scenario. I have Element Dragon on my side of the Field along with a Mask Dragon. My opponent has a monster (doesn't matter which one as long as it is not a WIND, but for the fun of it we'll say Skull Servant). I use Creature Swap to give my opponent Mask Dragon. I attack the Mask Dragon with Element Dragon. Using Mask Dragon I search out a Dragon with 1500 or less ATK, BUT that is a WIND attribute. I'm just wondering if Element Dragon's effect would then activate allowing a second consecutive attack. Or if that effect would have required a WIND type on the field during the damage step before Mask Dragon goes to the Grave.

Thanks.
 
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Based on the what the card says and the rulings. I would think that if a monster is brought out during the damage step that is wind monster that he would get his second attack. Before Element Dragon ends its battle there is a wind monster on the field. Which would allow him to activate its effect to attack twice. He doesn't activate his effect to attack twice until the end of the damage step.
 
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BURN said:
I thought the Special Summons of the new monster was still during the Damage Step of that monster's Attack. So his attack would not be over with until the new monster hits the field. So before the next battle starts he would have the WIND monster on the field to perform his second attack.
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I also thought this was the ruling for the same reason why when you destroy a Mystic Tomato/Shining Angel/Giant Rat/Mother Grizzly/etc that you cannot activate Torrential Tribute on the monster that they Special Summon.
 
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If there is a wind monster on the field. And there is a face up UFO Turtle on the field and you attack the UFO Turtle and your opponent brings out Solar Flare Dragon do you get the plus 500 kicker on your next attack.
 
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BURN said:
Based on the what the card says and the rulings. I would think that if a monster is brought out during the damage step that is wind monster that he would get his second attack. Before Element Dragon ends its battle there is a wind monster on the field. Which would allow him to activate its effect to attack twice. He doesn't activate his effect to attack twice until the end of the damage step.
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Look at it this way, "Element Dragon" must first destroy "Masked Dragon" before "Masked Dragon"'s effect activates in the Graveyard. So, when "Element Dragon" destroyed "Masked Dragon", there was no WIND monster present on the field to witness the onslaught. The new WIND monster special summoned by "Masked Dragon" did not witness the battle, so he can't say that "Element Dragon" indeed defeated "Masked Dragon", even though it all happened in the Damage Step.
Bill said:
I also thought this was the ruling for the same reason why when you destroy a Mystic Tomato/Shining Angel/Giant Rat/Mother Grizzly/etc that you cannot activate Torrential Tribute on the monster that they Special Summon.
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The reason you cant activate "Torrential Tribute" is because you can't activate him during Damage Step. His is not allowed to be activated because he does not modify stat, he is not Counter Trap, and he does not respond to when a Monster is sent to the Graveyard.
BURN said:
If there is a wind monster on the field. And there is a face up UFO Turtle on the field and you attack the UFO Turtle and your opponent brings out Solar Flare Dragon do you get the plus 500 kicker on your next attack.
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If "Element Dragon" does the killing, then YES. You get to attack twice, pluss 500 ATK Boost as long as a FIRE monster is face-up during Damage Sub-step 3: Damage Calculation part 1: Calculate damage.
 
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BURN said:
So when you go to attacke with Element Dragon you have to declare that you are making a Second attack?
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Well the second attack must come directly after the first, so simply declaring the attack is enough to indicate that you are attacking for the second time.
 
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Not to interrupt here, but may I ask a rather interesting question?

I was reading some updated Japanese rulings, and I saw this one for Flaming Eternity:

FET-JP011 Element Devil
- The "Wind" effect: Even if you destroy your opponent's Wind main-type monster that
this card "gain its effect" from, this card may still attack one more time.

Does this mean the rulings for Element Dragon, Element Doom, etc. that has the "WIND:" on it will get changed? This seemed like an odd thing to read, after knowing the rulings over here for Element Dragon.
 
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CraniumX said:
Not to interrupt here, but may I ask a rather interesting question?

I was reading some updated Japanese rulings, and I saw this one for Flaming Eternity:

FET-JP011 Element Devil
- The "Wind" effect: Even if you destroy your opponent's Wind main-type monster that
this card "gain its effect" from, this card may still attack one more time.

Does this mean the rulings for Element Dragon, Element Doom, etc. that has the "WIND:" on it will get changed? This seemed like an odd thing to read, after knowing the rulings over here for Element Dragon.
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It's quite possible, these things happen all the time.

I personally think the UDE ruling is incorrect, as the condition for the second attack should be met as soon as Damage Calculation ends. It shouldn't matter whether it is only WIND monster or not.
 
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That's what would make sense to me, as well. I've never really thought about the ruling, but when I was reading over the Japanese rules (I was looking to see if the upcoming Dryad ritual monster that is every attribute but Dark could be played with Fuh-Rin-Ka-Zan, which according to them, it can, hehe), I encountered that, and I've been starting to question quite a few things lately. It seems the more I research, there's an awful lot of differences in certain tiny little game aspects, like that whole "manual" position change affair. Makes a person curious as to why there's not a little better communication going on, or something.
 
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Raigekick said:
Here is the range of timing on where a WIND monster must be present, at all times, in order for "Element Dragon" to attack twice:
  • Start: Destroy a monster in Battle (Damage Sub-step 4: Damage Calculation part 2: Apply damage)
  • End: Damage Sub-step 1.
Analysis:
  1. If you enter "Start" above without a WIND monster on the field, you have miss the timing. This is the time when "Element Dragon" destroys a monster in battle.
  2. If you enter "End" above, you have pass the timing, so the second attack will go through because the battle is already happening.
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Forgive me, Raigekick, but I still don't see exactly how the timing is missed when it appears that the only condition for Element Dragon's second effect to apply is if there is a face-up WIND monster on the field by the conclusion of the first attack.

Isn't Element Dragons effect a continuous effect that either applies or it doesn't? I understand your logic, but wouldn't it also be logical to assume that Element Dragon doesn't just look for a WIND monster at the start of his first attack, but also at the conclusion of his first attack? (Damage Sub-step 6) I would think that since it is a continuous effect it would be constantly checking and not care if there was no WIND monster on the field during the attack as long as there was one before his attack wraps-up completley.
 
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