Exarion Universe

[mayo211]

There has been a ton of discussion over this new card. It cannot be decided in the online community if it has an Ignition Effect or a Multi-trigger effect. Here's an example that has been given

Opponent has Messenger of Peace on the field. It has been agreed (obviously) that a monster with 1500 attack cannot declare an attack with MOP on the field. It has been stated on the card's text "During A Battle Step of your turn". It has been argued that a monster that has less than 1500 attack such as Don Zaloog can declare an attack and then Exarion's effect can be activated because it only says During a battle step and not when Exarion declares the attack himself, then making him eligible to declare an attack that turn.

Basically, we need a correct ruling on Exarion. I already have the card and intend on putting it in the deck, but first I wanna make sure I am using him correctly. My only let down is when I first heard about this card was that it could be activated during the damage step which if it could, that would be awesome!

 

[nkarunatilaka]

You can only activate this effect during a Battle Step of your turn. Decrease the ATK of this card by 400 points...

So im guessing by "Battle Step" they mean Battle Phase right?

If thats correct, then im guessing that you could use his effect before declaring an attack, meaning that you would be able to attack under MoP.

Although im not sure, that is just how im interpeting it, as i kno the monster must have less than 1500 to "declare" an attack, so im guessin use the effect before declaring and your fine.

Please, any1 correct me if im wrong. as im not 100% sure on this

 

[mayo211]

thats just the thing. we have made it clear that he has to activate it during a battle step, not just a battle phase. so if don declared an attack, could you activate the effect then since exarion doesn't say it has to be his battle step. to make things more clear, i will post the exact text of exarion

"You can only activate this effect during a battle step of your turn. Decrease the ATK of this card by 400 points, then during battle between this attacking card and a defense position monsters whose DEF is lower that the ATK of this card, inflict the difference as battle damage to your opponents Lifepoints. This effect continues until the end phase of the turn this effect is activated"

Hopefully this will make it easier.

 

[nkarunatilaka]

thats just the thing. we have made it clear that he has to activate it during a battle step, not just a battle phase. so if don declared an attack, could you activate the effect then since exarion doesn't say it has to be his battle step. to make things more clear, i will post the exact text of exarion

"You can only activate this effect during a battle step of your turn. Decrease the ATK of this card by 400 points, then during battle between this attacking card and a defense position monsters whose DEF is lower that the ATK of this card, inflict the difference as battle damage to your opponents Lifepoints. This effect continues until the end phase of the turn this effect is activated"

Hopefully this will make it easier.

So what are you asking.... (just wanna make sure)

are you asking that if Don Zaloog atks Exarion, can he activate his effect then; like during the oppoents battle phase?

Im a bit confused on what your asking.

If thats the case, then you cannot. as you can only activate his effect during your turn.

 

[mayo211]

what i'm asking is two questions, what kind of effect does Exarion have?

Is it and Ignition Effect or a Multi Trigger effect?

And the other question I have is If its my battle phase and I have on my side of the field Don Zaloog and Exarion Universe and my oppoenet has Messenger of Peace face up, can I declare my attack with Don, then during his battle step activate Exarion's effect to lower him to 1400 so he can attack after Don does to get under Messenger's effect.

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

So im guessing by "Battle Step" they mean Battle Phase right?

No.
The battle Step begins when a monster declares an attack.

There are 4 parts of the battle phase: Start Step, Battle Step, Damage Step, and End Step.

are you asking that if Don Zaloog atks Exarion, can he activate his effect then; like during the oppoents battle phase?

No. You can only activate Exarion's effect during your battle step.

Does Exarion need to be the attacking monster for it to activate its effect?

Injection Fairy Lily originally didn't say in its card text that it had to be involved in damage calculation. But it did have to be involved in damage calculation to get its effect. (Though IFL has been errata'd for DB2 to say it has to be involved in Damage calculation)

I would have to argue that Konami thinks that its self-evident that a monster effect that only effects that monster battling abilities should only be able to be activated when that monster battles.

But then, the errata to IFL might indicate that they learned their lesson: that they should spell when its effect can be activated.

 

[nkarunatilaka]

what i'm asking is two questions, what kind of effect does Exarion have?

Is it and Ignition Effect or a Multi Trigger effect?

And the other question I have is If its my battle phase and I have on my side of the field Don Zaloog and Exarion Universe and my oppoenet has Messenger of Peace face up, can I declare my attack with Don, then during his battle step activate Exarion's effect to lower him to 1400 so he can attack after Don does to get under Messenger's effect.

To the first question, i believe its a Multi-Trigger effect, as its original atk will reset every turn (im not 100% sure on that, but thats what i believe)

To the second question, Exarions effect is to HIS battle step only, meaning thats when he attacks. Its a bit tricky, because MoP states that any monster with higher than 1500 atk cannot "declare" an attack. And I would THINK that he could use his effect to go under MoP and it should all be fine.

Although im not entirly sure, that is what i believe. Offical rulings should be out by next week hopefully.

Plz correct me if im wrong guys.


EDIT:: (lol. i was editing my post and didnt see ur post below mine Andrew, saying it would slide under MoP. lol. well newho, question answerd)

 

[densetsu_x]

As you said, Exarion Universe's effect can be done only during his battle step which makes it an Ignition effect.

Further it says you can activate it during any battle step of your turn so you can activate it and then slide under Messenger of Peace.

 

[masterwoo0]

The Battle Step is the point where you select a Monster on your side of the field as the "attacker", and where you select one of your opponents monsters to be "attacked". You have not actually progressed to the actual attack, just the selection of the monsters to be involved in Battle.

I would say that once you enter the Battle Phase by stating that you are doing so, you must also state whether or not you wish to activate Exarion's effect at the beginning of the Battle Step, before you select a target for your attack.

Example:

Player A enters his Battle Phase and declares that he will select Exarion Universe to conduct Battle with, and activates his effect, decreasing his attack by 400 points.

Player A then selects Spirit Reaper as his attack target and attacks.

That sounds like an Ignition Effect to me.

 

[nkarunatilaka]

As you said, Exarion Universe's effect can be done only during his battle step which makes it an Ignition effect.

Well i guess that makes sense. I just overlooked the small things. lol

 

[mayo211]

thatnk you for all the input. Again, you all came through for me.

so bottomline...it is an ignition effect and i can activate his effect when don declares his attack allowing him to lower his attack. thanks!

 

[nkarunatilaka]

Well...


since its been deducted that its an "Ignition" effect and not a "Multi-Trigger Effect"; when you activate the effect that would reduce it to -400atk, will it remain that way?

meaning would it be 1400 atk, and then next you wanna reuse its effect it would go to 1000 atk???


Or would its atk reset during the endphase as it states,
"This effect remains until the endphase of the turn this is activated."

Just needed clarification as me and a friend are stumped.

 

[masterwoo0]

It resets at the End Phase of the turn it was activated.

I'm wondering if this would be similar to Spirit Monsters that are removed from play and returned to the field on the controllers next turn.

Would Exarion's effect "reset" to normal attack, or since he missed the End Phase of the turn his effect activated, would that cause him to stay at 1400?

I'm reasonably positive it resets, but what the heck... Why not ask?!

 

[anthonyj]

When removed from play he would be seperated from the effect that was lowering his attack regardless. So when he returned he would be back to his original ATK.

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

It would reset as soon as it returns to the field, not at the end phase.

(e.g. activating Different Dimension Gate, and then playing heavystorm... it would be 1800 when returned by Different Dimension Gate.)

 

[papewaio]

So his effect would have to be activated before you got to the damage step, or would it work like Injection Fairy Lily, where you can activate it during the damage step.

For example:
Player 1 Has Exarion Universe on the field
Player 2 Has fd monster in def position

Player 1 Attackd fd monster
Flip fd monster up then enter damage step
Player 1 sees that it is Sinister Serpent and chooses to pay the cost to activate the effect.

Or would you have to pay the cost before the fd is flipped, thus not knowing if you're now 1400 atk will go through?

 

[densetsu_x]

As stated in the thread and on the card itself, you use the effect in the Battle Step which is before any monster it attacks is flipped up.

 

[mayo211]

As stated in the thread and on the card itself, you use the effect in the Battle Step which is before any monster it attacks is flipped up.

just to be absolutely clear (because I am catching a lot of flack from people on other websites) His effect can be activated during another monsters battle step since his card text says "A battle stap" and not just his?

I trust you guys with the ruling much more than anyone else so I wanna be extremely clear to these other people.

 

[skey23]

If I'm not mistaken, no, it must be during a Battle Step in which "Exarion" is involved, much the same as "Lily".


Also, what was the final verdict with this monster vs "Messenger of Peace"? Can you even declare the Attack, since you can't activate it's effect until AFTER you've declared your intention to attack with it?


Thanks.

 

[mayo211]

If I'm not mistaken, no, it must be during a Battle Step in which "Exarion" is involved, much the same as "Lily".


Also, what was the final verdict with this monster vs "Messenger of Peace"? Can you even declare the Attack, since you can't activate it's effect until AFTER you've declared your intention to attack with it?


Thanks.

Messenger says that a monster with an attack 1500 and above cannot even declare an attack so I am guessing based on that info that Exarion would not be able to go under Messenger of Peace. My initial thought was since Exarion says "During A battle step" that you could declare an attack with anothe rmonster and then activate Exarions effect...i am guessing because of this, we cannot do that.