Exarion Universe

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mayo211

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There has been a ton of discussion over this new card. It cannot be decided in the online community if it has an Ignition Effect or a Multi-trigger effect. Here's an example that has been given

Opponent has Messenger of Peace on the field. It has been agreed (obviously) that a monster with 1500 attack cannot declare an attack with MOP on the field. It has been stated on the card's text "During A Battle Step of your turn". It has been argued that a monster that has less than 1500 attack such as Don Zaloog can declare an attack and then Exarion's effect can be activated because it only says During a battle step and not when Exarion declares the attack himself, then making him eligible to declare an attack that turn.

Basically, we need a correct ruling on Exarion. I already have the card and intend on putting it in the deck, but first I wanna make sure I am using him correctly. My only let down is when I first heard about this card was that it could be activated during the damage step which if it could, that would be awesome!
 
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mayo211 said:
Messenger says that a monster with an attack 1500 and above cannot even declare an attack so I am guessing based on that info that Exarion would not be able to go under Messenger of Peace. My initial thought was since Exarion says "During A battle step" that you could declare an attack with anothe rmonster and then activate Exarions effect...i am guessing because of this, we cannot do that.
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Battle Step:

Sub-step 1: Turn player has the priority to activate Spell Speed 2 here. (Example: Turn player can activate CotH here).
Sub-step 2: Decide if conducting battle. If you are NOT conducting battle, got to End Step immediately.
Sub-step 3: Select and announce 1 monster to attack with, and declare 1 of your opponent's monsters your target (the monster you wish to attack).
Turn player has the priority to respond with Spell Speed 2 here

See that part where you can activate a speed 2 in sub-step 1? You activate there. Then after your opponent gets a chance to chain and respond you decide if you want to attack or not (sub-step 2), you don't actually declare the attack until sub-step 3. Plenty of time to lower him and attack under Messenger of Peace.
 
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And THAT was what I was looking for. Somebody to break down the steps of the Battle Step. Thank you anthonyj.

btw...Raigekick (or someone) needs to update it with the latest monsters and stuff. Is he even around anymore?
 
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anthonyj said:
Battle Step:

Sub-step 1: Turn player has the priority to activate Spell Speed 2 here. (Example: Turn player can activate CotH here).
Sub-step 2: Decide if conducting battle. If you are NOT conducting battle, got to End Step immediately.
Sub-step 3: Select and announce 1 monster to attack with, and declare 1 of your opponent's monsters your target (the monster you wish to attack).
Turn player has the priority to respond with Spell Speed 2 here
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Not correct.
A battle step begins with a monster declaring an attack.

The only time in the battle phase that you activate effects without a monster attacking is during the "Start Step" and the "End Step."

(You may return to your battle step from your End Step though.)
 
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Firstly, there are no concrete rules on this.

As far as we understand, you begin the Battle Step by declaring an attack. However that is only the very first initial attack, all subsequent Battle Steps begin with a Priority Point. Which is precisely why you can activate Call at the beginning of the Battle Step, after you've already attacked, and declare an attack with the new monster. You do not decide during the Damage Step, it doesn't make sense.

Secondly, once you enter the End Step, you cannot return to the Battle Step. Proceeding to the End Step means that you passed on continuing to attack for that Battle Phase, and you are ending your Battle Phase.

The Rulebook is slight incorrect and vague to say the least, which is what i know you are refering to.

The only other possibility i could see, would be for the decision to be made in the Damage Step and you would return to the Start Step before every attack. Again, it doesn't seem correct, since the Start/End Steps are supposed to be one time deals, once at the start and once at the end of the Battle Phase.
 
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novastar said:
Secondly, once you enter the End Step, you cannot return to the Battle Step. Proceeding to the End Step means that you passed on continuing to attack for that Battle Phase, and you are ending your Battle Phase.
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Official Ruling from the UDE FAQ:

  • After you attack with a Fusion Monster, you may activate "De-Fusion" in the End Step of the Battle Phase to Special Summon the Appropriate Fusion Material Monsters and attack with them in the same Battle Phase.
You enter the end step, summon more monsters, then go back to the beginning.

Don't overanalyze the words: "End Step" should mean no different than "Green with Pink-Polka Dots Step." It's only a name used for reference, and doesn't denote anything.
 
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I understand the logic, new monster that can attack, and you are still in the Battle Phase...yadda yadda...

Going by that thinking you should be able to go back to the Main Phase after entering the End Phase. If they want that level of flexibility then more power to them.

I should really be looking at the Battle Phase as unique, any time a new monster is summoned on the Turn Player's side of the field, you can always declare an attack (provided it can legally attack) no matter what Step you are in.
 
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anthonyj said:
Battle Step:

Sub-step 1: Turn player has the priority to activate Spell Speed 2 here. (Example: Turn player can activate CotH here).
Sub-step 2: Decide if conducting battle. If you are NOT conducting battle, got to End Step immediately.
Sub-step 3: Select and announce 1 monster to attack with, and declare 1 of your opponent's monsters your target (the monster you wish to attack).
Turn player has the priority to respond with Spell Speed 2 here

See that part where you can activate a speed 2 in sub-step 1? You activate there. Then after your opponent gets a chance to chain and respond you decide if you want to attack or not (sub-step 2), you don't actually declare the attack until sub-step 3. Plenty of time to lower him and attack under Messenger of Peace.
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An outstanding revelation. I know exactly how to use this guy now. Thank you all so much for the help...and I just got another one of him. sweet!
 
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Actually, I was under the belief that here is how battle phase goes:


Battle phase starts:

-------point A

turn player can use quickplay magic, activate traps, or declare an attack. After an action is declared, the opponent player can chain to the action, or, if the turn player declares to leave the battle phase and go to main phase 2, the opponent can activate cards on the field of ss2.
If the action is chained to, and a chain is formed, the chain resolves normally. If the action was declaring an attack, then:

Battle step:

sub step 1: declare which monster is attacking, and which monster it will attack. any spell speed 2 or 3 can be activated here if applicable. (or ignition in this case)

sub step 2: if the attacked monster was face down, then it is flipped face up. Attack/defense modifiers or spell speed 3 traps can be activated here if applicable.

sub step 3: attacking monsters ATK is compared to targets ATK or DEF, depending on situation, and damage is calculated. Also this is where effects that take place during damage calculation would happen.

sub step 4: monsters are sent from the field to the graveyard if destroyed, and effects are activated such as Mystic Tomato, Shining Angel, etc.

sub step 5: flip effects take place, and after they resolve any additional effects take place that were created by the flip effects (if any)

end battle step..

after whatever action taken has resolved, return to point A.........

So , after that lengthy overview of how I think the battle step moves along (which if it is wrong, please correct me and I will fix it ASAP), Exarion could not attack through MoP beause it has to declare an attack to use his ability.
 
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Chillout1984 said:
"When Exarion uses its effect to lower its atk to 1400, can I ring it then?? "

"2. Sure."

I hope that they mean that you can use Ring of Destruction (or whatever they mean with "ring") after the damage step, otherwise I'm confused...
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No. After Exarion Universe's effect resolve it is still the battle step and a new chain can be created.

Of course not, because you need attack response timing to use it. No declaration, no timing... simply being at the Battle Step is not enough.
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Exarion's effect doesn't have anything to indicate it has to be activated in response to the declaration of the attack. It can be activated later in the Battle Step.
 
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Exarion's effect doesn't have anything to indicate it has to be activated in response to the declaration of the attack. It can be activated later in the Battle Step.
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That is completely debatable, nothing has been defined, or specifically stated to support this. Many effects have vague wording, and the rules have been outlined... vaguely.

In the end, it requires attack timing to initiate it, just like Spirit Ryu. Later on in the Battle Step? maybe... but lets get clear rules on how the Battle Step actually works before making assumtions.

My guess? extra chain points at the Battle Step only occur out of neccessity, not on demand...
 
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