Exiled Force vs Skill Drain

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Wizit

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This is a confusing one because I cannot understand the official ruling.

I believe that Exiled Force's effect will be negated if Skill Drain is active on the field. However, the ruling for Skill Drain states:

<< "Skill Drain" negates the effects of face-up Effect Monsters on the field, but does not negate effects that activate in the Graveyard, such as "Exiled Force", (etc). ... If you activate "Exiled Force"'s effect while "Skill Drain" is active,
"Exiled Force" is no longer on the field and you can select and destroy 1 monster on the field. >>

Since when did the effect for Exiled Force initiate in the Graveyard? Additionally, the ruling for The End of Anubis mentions nothing about Exiled Force. If the above ruling for Skill Drain is correct, then the effect of The End of Anubis would negate Exiled Force's effect which sounds silly.

Can anyone shed any light onto this one, please?

Thanks
Wizit
 
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This is a question as age old as the Chicken and the Egg.

Skill Drain cannot stop Ignition Effects as long as the monster is no longer face-up on the field when the effect resolves.

Since you tribute Exiled Force for his effect, he is in the Graveyard when his effect resolves, not activates.

Exiled Force is NOT a Graveyard Effect. He activates on the field and resolves in the (while he is in the) Graveyard.
 
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slither said:
On a side note, as far as I know The End of Anubis will negate Exiled Force's effect.
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Alright, here we go. It took me the longest time to grasp this concept, but believe it or not, EoA DOES NOT NEGATE Exiled. Here's why:

The game is incapable of perceiving infinitessimal amounts of time. In theory, a player declares his/her wish to activate an effect. Then, the costs are paid and targets are chosen. Then the card is activated. But the game doesn't see it that way. It sees the entire activation process as one lumped unit. So when checking to see where a card effect was activated, it finds that Exiled Force began its activation process on the field, despite later heading to the grave. Hence, EoA is incapable of negating Exiled, but is indeed able to negate Peten the Dark Clown.

I hope Novastar is online...
 
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I know that given the game mechanics, it's quite tough to determine whether or not TEoA in fact negates or doesn't negate Exiled Force, I for one never "really" aGreed with the ruling, but until this day it has been ruled this way =/.

I mean, given many explanations, Exiled Force is NOT a graveyard effect, it's NOT a field effect either, so how can he be for say an "in mid air" effect...
 
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slither said:
I know that given the game mechanics, it's quite tough to determine whether or not TEoA in fact negates or doesn't negate Exiled Force, I for one never "really" aGreed with the ruling, but until this day it has been ruled this way =/.

I mean, given many explanations, Exiled Force is NOT a graveyard effect, it's NOT a field effect either, so how can he be for say an "in mid air" effect...
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For some time it was ruled that way. It is no longer.

For God's sake, where is novastar? He's the only one I've ever known to put this into terms simple enough for even me to understand...
 
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What is difficult about saying, "I tribute my face-up Exiled Force to destroy your Gemini Elf", then, SEND Exiled Force to the Graveyard, to actually DESTROY Gemini Elf.

You stated your intent to destroy a monster using Exiled Force's effect, then you paid the cost. Paying the cost activated the effect from the field.

The resolution is carried out while Exiled Force is in the Graveyard.

Obviously, if you are activating his effect, it is done while he is face-up on the field and not while he is in the Graveyard.

I really dont see why this continues to be a problem.
 
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I really dont see why this continues to be a problem.
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Well, because those who believe EoA can negate Exiled Force have the show, the old rulings, and for a while, even Kevin himself backing them up on the concept that activation costs are paid BEFORE activation. And if you think about it, it makes almost (but not quite) as much sense to say that as it does to say they're paid AFTER activation.

I thought the problem would end after novastar explained it to me. Because, as we all know, I lead the world in rulings (Kevin and Konami who? You're kidding me!) but alas, no such luck :p :p :p :p :p :D :D :D :D :D
 
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masterwoo0 said:
But you are paying the cost before you activate Exiled Force's effect.

The only thing you do by stating your intent, is selecting a target. The actual "tribute", or "cost", comes before the activation.
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Not only do I see your point, I also agree with it. I am merely specifying the logic that was used for some time, and pointing out how it is not 100% crazy. Only crazy enough to have been withdrawn from the rulings. :p
 
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Yup, I have no argument on this, I for one always disaGreed with the previous ruling, I was out of commition several months ago, and that's why I probably didn't hear about the ruling being changed, at least now this ruling makes a whole lot more sense.

=P
 
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One thing to always remember as a general rule of thumb...

Activated effects (manual, trigger etc.) ALWAYS resolve from the same location that they were activated from.

Regardless of what exactly the cost is for the effect to work, the activation sequence is started while Exiled Force is face-up on the field... that makes it a field effect... and not negated by End of Anubis.

The actual physical location of the card itself after activation has comensed, has absolutely no barring on where the activation is coming from, once you decide to pay the cost and launch the activation sequence. The "effect" and the "card" completely disconnect themselves from each other...similar to Normal Spell and Trap Cards

If Konami, Kevin, UDE, or any of the rest of the funky bunch want to say cost is paid before activation, then they are talking about "activation completion"... NOT the initiation. This exactly the reason why cost is suppoed to be included in activation, to avoid this kind of confusion.

Anything else... is bunk...

Done...
 
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Why does it always seem that as soon as we get the ruling straight on this topic, someone new comes along and we get a 30 page thread going yet AGAIN???

Maybe this should be part of the "Sign-up" process....
 
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masterwoo0 said:
Why does it always seem that as soon as we get the ruling straight on this topic, someone new comes along and we get a 30 page thread going yet AGAIN???

Maybe this should be part of the "Sign-up" process....
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LOL! this is what makes the game so exciting :D
 
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Absird said:
*looks at arguement**picks up stick* The rulings for Exiled Force and Skill Drain say that Exiled Force activates in the graveyard.

I say it is because immedialy after trying to activate his efect (sending him to the graveyard) he is in the Graveyard. So if TEoA and Banisher of the Light were both on the field Exiled's effect would activate in the RFG and therefore work.
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This is not directed at you... but that kind of thinking is absurd...

Anyway, the ruling currently has been retracted, and Exiled is no longer negated by EoA... so the end result is fine with me. Lets just end this while we are ahead.
 
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