Feathers Shot and Agent of Force Mars

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mayo211

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Quick question...if I have Mars Face up on the field along with Avian and I activate Feather Shot, would I be able to attack with Mars still?

Thanks in advance
 
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slither said:
This looks a lot like the Threatning Roar vs. Wildheart situation (is there any word on that by the way??)

Anyways, check out this ruling, which has me wondering:
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I dont recall any discusion on Threatening Roar and Elemental Hero Wildheart. But I dont see where Elemental Hero Wildheart would be affected.

Horus LV6 is unaffected by Toll, Messenger of Peace, Swords of Revealing Light and Gravekeeper's Servant, so why shouldnt wildheart be unaffected by a trap that states the player cannot declare an attack when Swords of Revealing Light says basically the same thing??

The only difference between these is, if swords, messenger, or toll are destroyed, the effect is completely gone, and the player can attack without penalty.

Threatening Roar is already in the Graveyard, and its effect lingers for the entire turn. But I dont see where that can matter since you can still allow your opponent to attack with, say, "Spirit Reaper", then, at the end of the Damage Step, activate Threatening Roar, and the remaining monsters on the field that have not attack are prevented from doing so.

So, it's not a "must activate before opponent attacks" card.
 
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I think the biggest question in both scenarios is this...

Does 'unaffected by' mean that monster is also not affected by a lingering condition of the Spell or Trap card?

An example of this would be this ruling:
If you control "Red-Eyes B. Dragon" and activate "Inferno Fire Blast" to inflict damage, and then after that resolves you activate "Non-Spellcasting Area", "Red-Eyes B. Dragon" still cannot attack because "Non-Spellcasting Area" will not negate the condition.
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As we all know, "Non-Spellcasting Area" makes all Normal Monsters unaffected by Spell Cards.

This may be the case of a Spell/Trap card effect behaving differently .vs a Monster effect.
 
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I dont recall any discusion on Threatening Roar and Elemental Hero Wildheart. But I dont see where Elemental Hero Wildheart would be affected.
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http://www.cogonline.net/showthread.php?p=108419#post108419

Now there is but a little difference between them, that Feather Shot says "other monster's can't attack" which by my train of thought Mars won't be affected, aside Threatning Roar which states "opponent cannot declare an attack" which I still stand my point that Wildheart won't be able to attack.
 
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Hmmm the diference is that Feather Shot TARGETS (" Select 1 face-up "Elemental Hero Avian" on your side of the field to activate this card.")! Threatening Roar and Swords of Revealing Light does NOT!

Don't know about Mars... but there IS a posibility that he won't be able to attack. Why? Because after activation of Feather Shot the targeted Avian then selects if he'll use his newfound power ("This turn, the selected card can attack as many times as the number of monster(s) on your side of the field when this card resolves.") So he THEN desides to do so, preventing other monsters to attack ("In that case, it cannot attack your opponent's Life Points directly, and your other monster(s) cannot attack.")

So how I see it is, Avian prevents Mars from attacking and not Feather Shot... So noMars will not attack!
 
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Occasus_Tenshi said:
Hmmm the diference is that Feather Shot TARGETS (" Select 1 face-up "Elemental Hero Avian" on your side of the field to activate this card.")! Threatening Roar and Swords of Revealing Light does NOT!
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Sorry but I don't really see why Feather Shot's targetting has anything to do with it. Feather Shot simply needs Avian for activation after that the effect kicks in.

Mars is unaffected by spell cards so in any case he would ignore whatever is happening with any other monsters. Now the issue in hand is that if cards like Feather Shot and Threatning Roar affect the player or the monsters.

I say Feather Shot affects the monsters therefore Mars can attack but I say Threatning Roar affects the player therefore Wildheart can't attack.
 
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slither said:
I say Feather Shot affects the monsters therefore Mars can attack but I say Threatning Roar affects the player therefore Wildheart can't attack.
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I agree with you on The Agent of Force - Mars, but I just cant get past that statement from both Swords of Revealing Light and Threatening Roar, as they both indicate the player may not declare an attack.

That is why I said this isnt "apples and oranges" here. You can either say it affects the monster, in which case both cards agree, or you can say it affects the player, in which case both cards are not in agreement, because Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV6 can attack even with Swords of Revealing Light active, so it cant be the player that's affected by the statement "Your opponent cannot declare an attack", but the Monster. And, in this case, the monster can still attack.
 
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I know that the text of both of them don't really leave any other way to explain it, but the fact that Swords is on the field and TR is not, is why I see them acting different.
 
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Yet Return from the Different Dimension is no longer on the field when it removes the summoned monsters from play again and Wildheart ignores that effect. To me this is pretty clear. Monsters such as Horus LV6, Legendary Fisherman (with Umi), Silent Swordsman LV5 and any non-effect with Non-Spellcasting Area all have immunity to spells. I believe that the Swords of Revealing Light rulings clearly show that monsters that can ignore the "you can't attack" effect grant the controller the ability to attack even if it is the controller and not the monster that were being prevented from attacking.

Now the exception to this is of course the Non-Spellcasting Area vs. Inferno Fire Blast ruling. The reason this is different is due to a targeted effect resolving and leaving a condition on the Red-Eyes B. Dragon. So when Non-Spellcasting Area is later activated it will confer immunity to Spells from that point forward but it does not have the ability to negate the condition which was already applied. This differs from the effect of Burst Stream of Destruction which leaves a residual field effect preventing any Blue-Eyes White Dragon from attacking this round which of course Non-Spellcasting Area can bypass and allow your Blue-Eyes to attack.

I see Threatening Roar as the same type of effect. A residual field effect which Wildheart will ignore and be able to declare an attack anyway. Of course our closest card to Feather Shot is Diffusion Wave-Motion that conveniently does not address the issue of immune monsters being able to still attack in the rulings. Definitely something I think should be asked on the list but I would be truly surprised if it doesn't come back the same as the Swords vs. Horus ruling. Feather Shot is a field effect preventing other monsters from attacking, the immune to spells monsters should certainly be able to attack anyway.
 
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Return from the Different Dimension is placing a condition on the monsters that it Special Summons that they will be removed from play during the End Phase. Flipping the monster face-down removes that condition just like flipping a Fusion Monster summoned by Magical Scientist prevents the Fusion Monster from being returned to the Fusion Deck. Wildheart can't have the condition applied because he is immune to the Trap card.
 
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