Feathers Shot and Agent of Force Mars
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We actually had a very lengthy discussion about Change of Heart, Snatch Steal, flipping face-down and all that jazz. If that is a quandry for you you should search for that thread or I can post a link. What I have stated is exactly how we have had these cards explained to us by UDE. Condition placed upon monsters when summoned, etc. etc. It is completely true, that is how it works.
Im not saying otherwise, im just saying that as I said earlier, I don't really see it as a condition, UDE has explained such, but as so many other things in the game, it still incoherent and vague. This can fall into cases such as "original attack", "discard vs send" etc.
We have to follow what it has been said, there is no other thing we can do but respect UDE's explanations, but if we are speaking of "conditions" there are hundreds of conditions which contradict other conditions, one being this case vs CoH.
I fully respect UDE's decisions and rulings along with what has been said already, but try and explain it to someone which only gets to read a card, and gets to read the rulings for cards with amazingly similar or in some cases exact same text, with different rulings.
Snatch Steal is understandable, there is no "but" "if" "or" with SS, it's an equip card that's it, mechanics work different, though I might be falling on a limb here, im just trying to clear up that many rulings contradict what other rulings state, which is why I am in that mental debate about Wildheart vs Threatning Roar in the first place.
Just on a side note, to have something to think about: would your opponent be able to destroy Wildheart after your Dark Coffin has been destroyed and sent to the grave?
We have to follow what it has been said, there is no other thing we can do but respect UDE's explanations, but if we are speaking of "conditions" there are hundreds of conditions which contradict other conditions, one being this case vs CoH.
I fully respect UDE's decisions and rulings along with what has been said already, but try and explain it to someone which only gets to read a card, and gets to read the rulings for cards with amazingly similar or in some cases exact same text, with different rulings.
Snatch Steal is understandable, there is no "but" "if" "or" with SS, it's an equip card that's it, mechanics work different, though I might be falling on a limb here, im just trying to clear up that many rulings contradict what other rulings state, which is why I am in that mental debate about Wildheart vs Threatning Roar in the first place.
Just on a side note, to have something to think about: would your opponent be able to destroy Wildheart after your Dark Coffin has been destroyed and sent to the grave?
The player is just selecting a target for destruction, the effect of the trap card is not at all similar to cards like Ring of Destruction or the likes. Dark Coffin hits the grave and tells the opponent of the owner of DC to select a card.
Are you saying that the player can just go ahead and select Wildheart to fizzle DC's effect?
Are you saying that the player can just go ahead and select Wildheart to fizzle DC's effect?
It doesn't matter if the trap is still on the field or in the grave Wildheart is unaffected by traps, Wildheart is not going to be destroyed by the effect of a trap, Wildheart will not be prevented from attacking by the effect of a trap, Wildheart will not be forced to change position because of the effect of a trap, Wildheart will not be returned to the hand by the effect of a trap. If Wildheart is selected as the monster to be Destroyed by the effect of Dark Coffin (which is fine he doesn't prevent himself from being targeted by traps) then the destruction effect will simply fail to destroy Wildheart. This is like using Smashing Ground on Horus LV6, the immune monster just is not destroyed.
But is Threatening Roar affecting the monsters or the player? If it's affecting the monsters, Wildheart can still attack... plain and simple, end of discussion.
I'm asking, not to fan the flames, but because I'm not sure.
Ah hell, just use Thunder of Ruler. lol
I'm asking, not to fan the flames, but because I'm not sure.
Ah hell, just use Thunder of Ruler. lol
While I understand that UDE still hasn't given us anything official I am still a little confused by why this seems such a problem. Does Swords of Revealing Light say it affects the monsters or the player? It says it affects the player but spell immune monsters still get to attack. Why on Earth would it be any different for Threatening Roar? Still on the field, off the field has nothing to do with it. I suppose it is possible that Swords of Revealing Light is just "special" but other than that possibility it seems like this is a pretty straight forward issue.
Feather Shot's text is what you need to look at after you read the first sentence of Mars.
Feather Shot reads, "Select 1 face-up "Elemental Hero Avian" on your side of the field to activate this card. This turn, the selected card can attack as many times as the number of monster(s) on your side of the field when this card resolves. In that case, it cannot attack your opponent's Life Points directly, and your other monster(s) cannot attack."
The last sentence of Feather Shot affects monsters. Mars is a monster is it not? Don't compare this to the Wildheart v.s. Threatening Roar crap.
As masterwoo0 explained to me very skillfully in that discussion, a player can't attack without a monster and a monster can't attack on their own. Their both the same with cards that have "cannot attack" type of effects like Threatening Roar, Swords of Revealing Light, Feather Shot, etc..
So yes, Mars can attack if Feather Shot is played.
Feather Shot reads, "Select 1 face-up "Elemental Hero Avian" on your side of the field to activate this card. This turn, the selected card can attack as many times as the number of monster(s) on your side of the field when this card resolves. In that case, it cannot attack your opponent's Life Points directly, and your other monster(s) cannot attack."
The last sentence of Feather Shot affects monsters. Mars is a monster is it not? Don't compare this to the Wildheart v.s. Threatening Roar crap.
As masterwoo0 explained to me very skillfully in that discussion, a player can't attack without a monster and a monster can't attack on their own. Their both the same with cards that have "cannot attack" type of effects like Threatening Roar, Swords of Revealing Light, Feather Shot, etc..
So yes, Mars can attack if Feather Shot is played.